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Scotland / Re: James Sinclair Tailor
« on: Sunday 01 February 09 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks flst - sounds hopeful - there had to be other siblings born as there is too much of a gap between what I have as firstborn James Jr (c1809) and second born Janet Jr (c1822).  Would it have been common in Scottish families at the time for the 3rd (or 4th or 5th) female to be named after the mother rather than the first born female? 
If I go down the White family connection, is it conceivable that James Jr would have been born (illegitimate) in Canongate before they married in South Leith a year or two later before having further children in Leith.  I know it's not a great distance in today's terms, but they are I think a few miles apart.

Thanks for your help - much appreciated

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Scotland / Re: James Sinclair Tailor
« on: Saturday 31 January 09 16:33 GMT (UK)  »
Please if there is anybody that can assist with the message I posted below, as 2 years later, I am still no further forward in how to trace the below and wondered if there is anybody that can give me any pointers as to where to start looking?  Having been made redundant, I now have some time on my hands and would be prepared to come to Scotland to start looking but need some proper direction as the information I can be sure about is still quite vague.

"Hello all - I need help with the Sinclair family.

Facts James Sinclair and Janet/Jannet/Jennet in 1841 England census.  He is a tailor.  Both originated from Scotland (where?) and both born 1787-1791.  At least 3 children James Sinclair Jr (b1808-1809 Scotland), Janet (b1822ish England), Elizabeth (b1822-1826 England).  In 1851, James Sr is not on census (presumed dead-can not find death cert).  James Jr is living with mother and listed as Chelsea pensioner.  Janet Jr marries twice (1st James Jay 1843 Ongar - 2nd James Harpwood 1851 Woolwich).

Assumptions/unproven.  Have checked army records and found a James Sinclair matching Jr's age who enlisted in 91st foot regiment in Glasgow, giving his birthplace as Canongate, Edinburgh.  This gives his occupation as a tailor, which would tie in with his potential father (MY James Sr)'s profession.  Assuming that this is the right James Jr and that his parents were married in Edinburgh, I have found two marriages for James Sinclair and Janet at the time, listed in ScotlandsPeople.  1st James m Janet White in South Leith 1810.  Janet-daughter of Robert White.  James occupation is listed either as Sailor or Tailor but I think it is more likely to be Sailor given his location near the docks.  2nd is James m Janet Duncan 1805 Canongate.  Janet daughter of William Duncan - weaver.  This ties in with where the soldier James Jr was born but James Sr's occupation is listed as Inverness Militia (now known to be Inverness, Banff, Elgin and Nairn Militia), could he also have been a tailor?

I have too many assumptions so I am looking for proof and other leads that can find the births of James Sr and Jr and Jannet Sr or otherwise extend the Scottish side of my family back.  Also, because of the gap between children, there may be others, I am not aware of.  Please please help if you can give any hints.  Thanks

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The Common Room / Re: 1911 census - dead children
« on: Saturday 31 January 09 16:13 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks all - it's all valuable information.
As you say, it was all open to interpretation especially as this was the first time that the householder had completed this information - there were bound to be different yardsticks used

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The Common Room / Re: 1911 census - dead children
« on: Saturday 31 January 09 15:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Judy Thanks Stan

Judy - I've already had a quick look at the BMD though the surname is quite common and in London and the BMD does not narrow it down to parishes so I guess I'll have to trawl through the parish records.
Thanks Stan - at least that suggests that I should go straight to burial records first and see if that states their age at death so then if they were a few months to a few years old then I can work back and get their baptism records.

Thanks for your help
Nigel

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The Common Room / 1911 census - dead children
« on: Saturday 31 January 09 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Having purchased the pages for some direct ancestors in the new 1911 census, the family were surprised to discover that it contains a section for number of children born to the family and of those how many had died and this has uncovered some dead siblings born to my grandmother's family that even she may not have known ever existed.
My question is this - did the census rules state that these included any stillborn children or would these have been children that lived long enough to be baptised (and died between censuses)?  Should I check baptism records in the parish archives or go straight to burial records?  Were stillborn children ever baptised prior to burial?
Thanks

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The Common Room / Re: District of St Olave
« on: Sunday 04 May 08 18:01 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that Tati

Being in Southwark, St Olave is a plausible connection to where my relation was though still a few miles away and in London maybe that's far enough.

I don't suppose you know "St Saviour's" or "St Geo X" districts are aswell?  They are the only other districts with plausible connections but I don't know of their locations.  My relation lived in Woolwich but I have no idea which parish he was in.  There is a St Saviour's church in Woolwich but it doesn't look as though it was built in 1841 and may not have been large enough to warrant being a BMD district.

Regards

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The Common Room / District of St Olave
« on: Sunday 04 May 08 17:15 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know where the district of St Olave is which is quoted in the English Births, Marriages and Deaths lists.  I am trying to locate the death of a relative between 1841 and 1851 and have seen that it may be in York, Exeter, Southwark and Woolwich?  Any ideas?

Many thanks

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA tests
« on: Sunday 04 May 08 17:07 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks to you all for your thoughts - plenty to think about

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / DNA Testing - which to choose?
« on: Sunday 04 May 08 14:14 BST (UK)  »
I almost took the plunge at Who Do You Think You Are Live yesterday and had my DNA tested but I then thought I should hold back and maybe get some advice. 

My Great Great Grandfather on my paternal side was illegitimate and I believe my surname was then taken from his mother.  (Assuming the path between the former and me was straightforward blood connection without unknown illegitimacy, adoption etc) am I correct in thinking that if I got a strong DNA match with someone with a different surname who I could later prove to be living in the area at the time, this might then lead me to the identity of my 3 x Great Grandfather?

Several companies offer different markers.  If I got a 46 marker test - could I match with anyone below that (ie 37 marker result, 25 marker result, etc) or just someone that had equivalent 46 marker?

Apart from the Y-test and the Mt-test - is there any point in taking what everyone seems to be calling the "Colin Jackson" geographical migration test.  This seems to be most expensive of all but it does appeal to me due to people's frequent mistaking of my nationality as Eastern European despite my research having only discovered English and Scottish roots.

Opinions please from anyone that has taken tests or those that have informed opinions - Thanks



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