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World War Two / Re: Stalag IVB
« on: Wednesday 18 February 15 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
Stalag 1VB was an N.C.O. Camp, but it was also one where POW were initially registered by the Germans.

They were "de loused", given a thorough Medical along with all the necessary injections. Issued with new kit where needed. Photographed and given a POW Identity tag.

Other Ranks were sent to work details where they were needed after this initial registration.

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World War Two / Re: Italian WW2 POWs in England
« on: Tuesday 06 January 15 17:55 GMT (UK)  »
All I can tell you is that Major J E Burman was in Command at 138 Btn Bassingham near Lincoln, but that was 1945.

Brian


Good Morning. My Dad was taken prisoner in 1942 in North Africa and shipped to England, landing at Liverpool. He then was stationed in several Camps and worked on various farms. In 1942 he was in Camp 18 in Featherstone Park, Haltwhistle, Northumberland. He then was sent to Camp 52 in Nether Headon Ladywell Rise, East Retford, Lincolnshire. I was fortunate to find and visit this Camp with the great assistance of a couple wonderful people in the area. His last Camp was No. 138 the Rectory Camp in Bassingham, where he stayed until early 1946. I was also able to visit this Camp.  Any information you can provide to help my research, it is very much appreciated. Thanks.

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World War Two / Re: Died at Sea
« on: Wednesday 10 December 14 16:44 GMT (UK)  »
The "Jason" was torpedoed in the forward Hold and was down by the Bows.

After the Captain and other Officers Deserted the ship a German Officer took Control.
At gunpoint he forced the Italian engine room crew back to their positions. The engines were still running and the ship was moving in a circle.
The German Officer had most of the survivors move to the stern to counteract the flooded bows. He then had the engines put in reverse and managed to get the ship over the shoal onto rocks in shallow water.
A Line was taken ashore by 2 - 3 of the survivors.
Several made the Beach but others fell from the rope and died.

Evacuation of survivors and dead was done in an organised manner the next day.


As there was no embarkation Roll any Casualty lists can only be stated as PROBABLE.

My figures are just Military - 218 Remembered on the Alamein Memorial and just 17 Buried in Athens under their own names. 13 of the latter are South Africans 3 from N/Zealand and one from
the 60th Fld.Rgt. R.A.

I do know from survivors that there were some Naval POW aboard but have no details of any Naval Casualties.

Official Documentation states that as Italian Merchant Naval Officers came under Military regulations the Jason's Captain having deserted his ship was shot at Tripolis.

There is also information that the Arno was in the Locality, but none that states she steamed through survivors.


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World War Two / Re: Died at Sea
« on: Wednesday 10 December 14 16:07 GMT (UK)  »
What is it you are seeking help about?

9th December which year?

Dawn M

Sorry Dawn should have said 1941.

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World War Two / Died at Sea
« on: Tuesday 09 December 14 17:43 GMT (UK)  »
9th December the Italian Transport "Jason" (Sebastiano Venier) carrying 2,000 Commonwealth POW was torpedoed by a British Submarine of Cape Methoni, Greece.

She wasn't sunk but was reversed over the shoal onto Rocks in the shallow waters.

The dead from the ship and those washed ashore were buried for the most part in a mass grave.

Unfortunately the soil had a large Lime composition so when Searcher parties had the grave opened for re-burial years later almost all were unidentifiable.



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World War Two / Re: Royal army service corps. WW2. POW
« on: Tuesday 09 December 14 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
His POW I.D. Plate that shows V11A would be the Camp where he went through the German Registration process before being allocated to another Camp.

In all likelihood he would have been in a Work Camp which could have been many miles from Stalag 17B.
It is also likely that he was moved Westwards in one of the early months of 1945.

Locations of POW Given in the 1945 lists give the date the file was compiled. Not necessarily his location in 1945.

For P.O.W. Locations in Italy go to T.N.A. Website and key in WO 392/21 on "Discovery".
Read the recently added notes which will explain that the POW lists for Italy cannot be trusted.

As you say he was badly injured it is possible he was repatriated before the end of the War and then it would be doubtful that he made a "Liberation Report" that can be found.


Hi
I am trying to put together history of husbands great grandad who fought in the Second World War.
He is very interested in his grandfathers history so this is a special birthday present I'm putting together. I have some info but can't seem to find much else out. The info I have is below.

David Hume
Born 29 th June 1914
Edinburgh
Royal army services corps
Driver
Army number T/2827823

I believe he was based in Africa and was captured and taken to Italy to a POW camp, the record of this I have found online is that he was in P.O.W. Camp number 53, Urbisaglia Macerata, (Also listed as Sforza Costa), postal mark number 3300

I'm sure he was there for a couple of years.

Also online it says he was in another pow camp in Austria stalag 17b, Gneixendorf.
POW No. 153486
He also had a pow plate which says stalag viia which from what I could see is a different camp to the stalag one stated above.
Apparent while in one of the camps he was very injured and was due to be killed .
None of the family knew  much about the history as understandably it was very difficult to talk about .

He so has two badges that are from the seaforth highlanders, if there is any info regarding this?
Any information as to how I could find out more would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Karen

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World War Two / S S SCILLIN
« on: Friday 14 November 14 12:52 GMT (UK)  »
Seventy Two Years today since the S S Scillin was sunk while carrying Allied POW from Tripoli to Italy

787 Died.

R.I.P.

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Armed Forces / Re: Escape and Evasion reports
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 14:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Daisy,
             FindMyPast have my Catalogues and turned them into Alpha order.
What I have are as they are filed :- by year so at time it is necessary to hunt through several thousands to find a particular report.

There was an exchange of Naval POW with the Italians, in early 1943 I believe. Over 700.       These will have been interrogated on return to the UK, but no Reports appear to be around for any of those repatriated prior to the end of the War.

Best try FindMyPast.

Brian



Hi,
   if you look at later releases you will find appendix B to that report. These were extracted from the original, but are now open. As you appear to have looked at the original you will know the files are indexed in reverse.
I have produced Catalogues by name of all the E & E Reports.

           Brian

Hi Brian,

Wonder if your catalogue contains any of the following names?

     William Henry Walmsley of the Master Attendants Office. (traced and copied)
     William Campbell of Gatty & Bateman or possibly of United Engineers Singapore;
     John Dyce (b. 1899 in Edinburgh) Director Medical Hall Collyer Quay;
     W. McArthur (possibly spelt MacArthur); 
     Gerald Manning McMahon of Derrick & Co (Agent for Hammers);  (traced and copied)
     Peter Black Purvis (b. 1901  in Stirling) Manager of Wm Hammer & Co
     James George Stewart, (b. 1901 Drainie ?) Asst Manager Wm Hammer & Co. 
     A/Sub Lt. A. J. H. Gwynne  MRNVR
     A/Sub Lt L R Barnett-Smith   MRNVR  (traced and copied)
     P/O ME Pascall (CJX147366)
     ERA F E Green (DMX 70143)

Would be very interested to hear if they do.

Disy1942
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World War Two / Re: POW records.
« on: Monday 18 August 14 21:16 BST (UK)  »
Checked out my Database and if he was a POW he didn't make a report when Liberated.

Brian

I had an uncle whom I was told was a POW during WW11.  I was only 9 years old when the war
ended but can recall my mother folding and sending the local newspaper to him each week
His name was Philip Mark Jacobs b.1917 and his home address was Camberley Surrey.
I also recall that he was blind in one eye and served in the pioneer corps.I believe.
Can anybody find this man listed as a POW or did I get things mixed up as a child.
Many thanks.  Dud

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