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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 09:20 GMT (UK)  »
In 1857 Joseph Williams lived at Farm Fach, Hengoed, Llanelly as Nephew to William Davies & Hannah.  His father is not shown on the Wedding Certificate.

I believe this is the correct Wedding Certificate as it's the only one that matches.  The only other marriage between a Joseph William & Anne Thomas was in Llandilofawr.  It looks like the 1st child is born illegitimaty.

In 1881 it does look like Joseph has remarried to a Margaret and living at Pemberton, Llanelly.

Hywel

I agree that this is the only marriage that seems to fit. However, as you say this was 2 years after the birth of their first child and Joseph’s profession is “Navigator”, whereas in census records he is a Lead Worker. Perhaps there was such a thing as a Navigator who worked in a Lead Works, I don’t know, perhaps others do? As you say this only leaves the Llandilofawr marriage but as Joseph was from Pembrey and Ann from Llanelly a Llandilofawr marriage does not make sense

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 07:45 GMT (UK)  »
Although they have been inactive for over a year, it may be worth you trying to contact Ancestry Member alcoa1277 . They have exact DOB for all of James children and looks to be descended from his Daughter Mary Hannah Williams 1897

From what I can work out from her tree Mary Hannah had a son Elwyn Williams in 1913

WILLIAMS, ELWYN       mmn - 
GRO Reference: 1913  D Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 2459

He is with James in 1939, DOB 12 Sep 1913. The tree states Elwyn married an Eluned John 26 Dec 1909 of Swansea who are alcoa277’s parents

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 07:17 GMT (UK)  »
Great stuff. We’re on a roll!

This is possibly James married to a Margaret Ann Thomas in 1911. It states they were born Llwynhendy and were living at Myrtle Cottage, Llwynhendy.

WILLIAMS James and THOMAS Margaret Ann Mar Qtr 1892, Llanelly 11a 1152.

Married around the same time as their first born

WILLIAMS, JOHN  JAMES     mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 1002

The only negative is that in in 1911 states this James born 1871 and 1901 born 1872, so not born 1870. I suppose only getting a copy of the marriage cert would confirm for definite, it’s not in Parish records


This must be James. I have found him in the 1939 register DOB 19 Aug 1870 (1 day out). In 1939 his address is 9 Trallwm Road, in 1901 he and his wife and children are living at Trallwm Cottage. With him in 1939 are children Sarah Catherine and Llewellyn who are also with him in 1911.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Great stuff. We’re on a roll!

This is possibly James married to a Margaret Ann Thomas in 1911. It states they were born Llwynhendy and were living at Myrtle Cottage, Llwynhendy.

WILLIAMS James and THOMAS Margaret Ann Mar Qtr 1892, Llanelly 11a 1152.

Married around the same time as their first born

WILLIAMS, JOHN  JAMES     mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 1002

The only negative is that in in 1911 states this James born 1871 and 1901 born 1872, so not born 1870. I suppose only getting a copy of the marriage cert would confirm for definite, it’s not in Parish records



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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 09:04 GMT (UK)  »
The census entries for this family are recorded in Berwick District. James from his goal records is from Llwynhendy. I have found this which links them together “ Llwynhendy, a place in Berwick hamlet, Llanelly parish, Carmarthenshire, 2½ miles SE of Llanelly. It has a post and money order office under Llanelly; telegraph office, Bynea railway station. It has a church attached to Dafen ecclesiastical parish, and Baptist and Calvinistic Methodistchapels.”

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 08:53 GMT (UK)  »
There is this James Williams, 8 months old in 1871 as a candidate.

I think this family is a strong contender as from the GRO entries for siblings of this James their mother’s maiden is indicated as Thomas as well e.g.

WILLIAMS, AARON       mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 682

WILLIAMS, HANNAH       mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 506



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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 08:29 GMT (UK)  »
There is this James Williams, 8 months old in 1871 as a candidate.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 08:20 GMT (UK)  »
P.S. I think you can definitely discount the first James Williams entry. This James was the son of William Williams and Elizabeth Lawrence born Blaengwasted, Pembrey. He was 10 months old in the 1871 census and I have him dying Mar Qtr 1872.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 08:09 GMT (UK)  »
What great finds Hywel, well done. In which Ancestry collection were these? I presume he continued to refuse to pay, hence the 2nd entry. In the first he is 17 and the 2nd 18, so his birth month must be between Jun and Sep therefore born around Jul/Aug 1870. Searching the GRO for James Williams born “Llanelly” in 1870 only brings up 3 entries

WILLIAMS, JAMES       mmn LAWRENCE 
GRO Reference: 1870  J Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 704
WILLIAMS, JAMES       mmn THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 619
WILLIAMS, JAMES       mmn JAMES 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 613

If he was born around Jul/Aug 1870 then the middle one registered in sep Qtr with mother’s maiden name Thomas seems the most likely. You can now get instantly downloadable copies of birth certificates from the GRO for £2.50. If you purchase this it will give you the names of his parents and you know he was in Llwynhendy in 1888, so, hopefully, from this information you will be able to find him in census records.

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