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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: in Kent - Convict entry 1838
« on: Thursday 26 January 17 09:00 GMT (UK)  »
HMS Fortitude was a prison ship. First used to house French prisoners of war, in 1838 it was a hulk in Chatham.

A convict ship (Theresa) has this comment about Fortitude in its surgeon's log - "... The convicts were generally healthy but emaciated, especially those from the Fortitude hulk at Chatham. With few exceptions, their health improved on the voyage and they were landed in good health" - on its voyage to NSW. It sailed 10th October 1838. So Gambrill probably took up a space in Fortitude left vacate by this shipment


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 'pounds of wax'? Second opinion please.
« on: Thursday 26 January 17 08:49 GMT (UK)  »
My view is that vij = 7. The j signifies it is the last i in a roman numeral. So we have vij = vii, ie 7.

From Wiki for 'J' - The letter 'J' originated as a swash letter I, used for the letter 'I' at the end of Roman numerals when following another 'I', as in 'XXIIJ' instead of 'XXIII' for the Roman numeral representing 23.


Armed Forces / Re: 1st Regiment of Foot Guards 1746 to 1769
« on: Tuesday 24 January 17 18:48 GMT (UK)  »
The musters are in Kew. There were two battalions with separate musters before 1760 and three battalions after. So you need to pick a year before 1760 and look at both musters for that year. Musters this old will not give you as much information as ones from the19th century. They consist of one large sheet per company listing the men serving at the end of the period. Plus details of men leaving and joining the company in the period. You may get details of where a new recruit enlisted, but that will be all.

Also the muster was signed a few months after the muster period. Where it was signed should be recorded, but no details of where the company was during the muster period will be given.


The person who started the thread should get an email if you do add to even an old thread. As time goes by more and more information is going online. So refreshing old threads often leads to fresh information being uncovered.


Armed Forces / Re: Royal Navy - 18th Century Casualty Lists
« on: Monday 23 January 17 08:05 GMT (UK)  »
Muster Books and Paylists may be better for Ratings. Also in Kew. If you do not know his ship then there are some records filed by Division, which were the home port of the ships and Marines. Recruits normally joined the nearest Division to where they lived - Chatham, Portsmouth and Plymouth before 1805.


Armed Forces / Re: Disembodied?
« on: Monday 23 January 17 07:59 GMT (UK)  »
From Wiki

Approximately 5000 of the Queen's Mediterranean Medal were awarded in total. They were issued to the Third Battalions of the: Royal Northumberland Fusiliers, Royal Fusiliers, West Yorks, Royal North Lancs., Royal West Kent, King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry and the Seaforth Highlanders.

So rare compared to the 350,000 or so QSAs awarded.


World War One / Re: Died of Wounds at Field Ambulance
« on: Monday 23 January 17 07:52 GMT (UK)  »
The War Diary should tell you if the action he was wounded in was a success or not. If he was lying in a place later abandoned it may have been a day or more before he was brought in. If a success then he would have been brought back to an Aid and Bearer post quite quickly. This link gives details of the chain of care available -

It is also worth checking the cemetery where he was buried on the CWGC site. They often record the Field Ambulances in the area that may have treated him.

Also worth discovering his Division and then cross referencing with which names the three FAs in that Division.


World War One / Re: Can anyone help me interpret this Army Service Record?
« on: Sunday 22 January 17 09:35 GMT (UK)  »
He did serve in France. On page 2 of his record - I am referring to the Service Record on Ancestry - it says he went to France 6 October 1917, and gives details of his medals. Which you only received by serving overseas.

It seems to include pages from two records as the next page is a half burnt version of the previous page, but with clearer writing.

In June 1916 he received a pension of 8s 3d a week for himself and his wife and 6s for his four children. To be reviewed after six months. His health must have got worse as earlier he was assigned to the Z Reserve which was a Reserve that were sent home but had to be prepared to return if fighting started again after November 1918.

He got three days CB (confined to barracks) for not complying with an order of an NCO, while with 683 Company of the LC in Peterborough. There is also mention of a LC Co in North Staffs.

As he medical records are not there it is hard to tell why he was transferred to the Labour Corps.

Added... it seems he served in the North Staffs Regiment before transferring to the Labour Corps. Here is his medal card on Ancestry -

It could be the 3rd North Staffs and is the first of the two transfers on his record, with the left hand side missing.


Armed Forces / Re: Disembodied?
« on: Sunday 22 January 17 00:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Glyn

The 2007 answers are confusing. Embodiment applies to any part-time units, Militia or Volunteer, being made full-time at a time of General Mobilization. After disembodiment the unit went part-time again. They were only discharged if their six or four year enlistment was up.

You should check the medal roll for the Queens Mediterranean Medal on Ancestry. This was awarded to men sent to Malta etc to allow a Regular battalion to be sent to South Africa. So he recieved the same war gratuity as a Militiaman embodied and sent to South Africa.


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