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The Common Room / Re: Entered twice in the same census.
« on: Yesterday at 18:49 »
The 1861 census for the street in London where my ancestors lived is missing. Would have been handy if the head was due to stay on at work in his litho printers workshop to do overtime on census night, and his wife still recorded him in the 1861 census as well.  ;D There are a number of London streets that are missing from 1861 (especially in Lambeth) and even a whole borough - Pimlico.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Deceptive TV😠
« on: Yesterday at 14:38 »
Yes, I look at microfiche or microfilm for a certain parish and keep looking until I find anyone of that surname or the person I am looking for.


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The Common Room / Re: Entered twice in the same census.
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 18:39 BST (UK)  »
One of my ancestors is recorded twice in the 1861 census in Co Durham.


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The Lighter Side / Re: Deceptive TV😠
« on: Sunday 24 October 21 21:33 BST (UK)  »
I often do blanket searches looking for ancestor names. I know many London records are on Ancestry indexed by surname and first name and parish, but as expected, there is no search for marriage witnesses. That would be a mammoth task to transcribe all 1754-onwards marriages for all London parishes for the witnesses. So I did blanket searches of some Marylebone and Paddington marriages for a couple of my ancestors and found they did witness a marriage in 1835 in Paddington. Blanket searches can be time consuming but can pay dividends.

I remember 20 years ago doing a blanket search at the FRC in Clerkenwell for Islington for the 1891 census.

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The Common Room / Re: Baptism x 2?
« on: Saturday 23 October 21 13:46 BST (UK)  »
My great gran was baptised in Oxford in 1895 as a baby then baptised again in London in 1910 when she lived in a Hackney convent for a time.

Perhaps a conditional baptism prior to receiving the sacrament of confirmation. Was she in the convent because she was an orphan or because she couldn't live at home for some reason?

I did post about this in the London board earlier this year. This will give you some more info on the story. Her mother died in 1902 when she was 6 back in Oxford. Her first baptism was at the parish church of St Peter Le Bailey, Oxford in Oct 1895, and she was baptised at St John, Vartry road, Stamford Hill, London in March 1910.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842690.0

Some of the boys at the Rochdale home may have lost a parent or parents by death or separation at an early age like your GGM and there may have been no one available to verify if a child had been baptised when an infant. Added to that, some of them had moved or been moved around districts, counties and even countries, so knowledge of when and where a baptism might have happened would have been sparse or non-existent in some cases.
Annual numbers of baptisms at the Rochdale orphanage were in single figures in the earliest years of the home's existence, a small proportion of numbers of first communions in those years, so I assume they were only those boys whose families, guardians, teachers or parish priests couldn't verify a prior baptism.
Conditional baptisms at the Rochdale home were more numerous in some years.
There are notes with some baptism entries. A few include extracts of letters from a parent, priest or a nun who may have been a teacher or in charge of another orphanage.
Examples:
1919 page 48, entry 239:  A boy named Bernard with 2 surnames, 1 in brackets. Note taped to page "says he's five". (I wondered if the 2 surnames meant he was later adopted or if it was just that he was known by either surname.)
6 Dec. 1921 (entry 271), 24 Dec. 1926 (entry 280): Baptisms of 2 brothers. A note attached to 1921 baptism includes extracts of letters from the boy's mother and from a nun. Mother stated that a third brother was already baptised. She also asked to be informed where her son was to receive his first communion.
There are notes at the end of the baptism register after the final chronological entry 28th October 1933. These include letters from priests and a letter from a former inmate (aged 62) who was trying to trace his birth certificate. Page 64, entries 316-319.
Catholics who married in a Catholic church from Easter 1908 were supposed to have information about their marriage added to their baptism entry. The parish priest where they married wrote to the parish where they were baptised. ("Ne temere" decree on marriage 1907) Marriage information has been added for some Buckley Hall boys.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rochdale/Rochdale/buckleyhal/index.html
None of the above would apply to the ancestor in this thread.
I've just remembered 2 other Lancashire baptism registers, Burnley workhouse and a Catholic church in Burnley. Some babies were baptised in the workhouse soon after birth. Some of them had "follow-up" baptisms at the church weeks or months later; some didn't.

Inbetween 1902 and 1910 I have no record of her movements, so not sure how long she had been living in Hackney but by the 1911 census she was living in Bexhill, Sussex as a servant. Ellen Edgington, born Oxford, Oxfordshire. Her dad was alive in 1910, and he died in 1927. I would think she went to school and left about 1907 if she was born 1895.


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The Common Room / Re: Baptism x 2?
« on: Thursday 21 October 21 18:34 BST (UK)  »
My great gran was baptised in Oxford in 1895 as a baby then baptised again in London in 1910 when she lived in a Hackney convent for a time.

Perhaps a conditional baptism prior to receiving the sacrament of confirmation. Was she in the convent because she was an orphan or because she couldn't live at home for some reason?

Transcriptions of registers of baptisms, confirmations and first communions at Buckley Hall Boys' Home , Rochdale, Lancashire are on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website. All baptisms were of boys who lived in the institution. Some were baptisms of groups of boys, usually aged 9-12, shortly before they received the sacraments of confirmation and first communion, e.g. 2 groups of boys baptised in March and on 13th April 1889 were confirmed, along with other boys, on 13th April and received first communion on 18th April. Another batch was baptised in September and there were more first communions in September and October.
A note that the baptism was conditional was written on some entries. 4 boys were baptised 10th April 1892, 2 born in Yorkshire, 2 sent by Chorlton Union. 9th Aug. 2 brothers from Preston. Apparently some boys weren't even sure of their age so ascertaining if they'd already been baptised would have been difficult e.g. 2 boys baptised 9th June 1894 "aged about 16"; 2 more May 1895, 1 aged about 12, the other about 16; Oct. 1895 "aged about 9, (sent by the Guardians)". *
* I assume the Poor Law Guardians.
A boy was baptised on his deathbed, a week before what would have been his twelfth birthday. Another boy was baptised when he was gravelly ill but he recovered, (there's a note about his marriage ).
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rochdale/Rochdale/index.html

I did post about this in the London board earlier this year. This will give you some more info on the story. Her mother died in 1902 when she was 6 back in Oxford. Her first baptism was at the parish church of St Peter Le Bailey, Oxford in Oct 1895, and she was baptised at St John, Vartry road, Stamford Hill, London in March 1910.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842690.0

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The Lighter Side / Re: New series next week on the Beeb of Who Do You Think You Are?
« on: Monday 18 October 21 15:23 BST (UK)  »
I quite liked Josh Widdicombe's episode. No airs and graces and strutting around like Danny Dyer did just because they found a "gateway ancestor".

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The Common Room / Re: Baptism x 2?
« on: Monday 18 October 21 12:59 BST (UK)  »
My great gran was baptised in Oxford in 1895 as a baby then baptised again in London in 1910 when she lived in a Hackney convent for a time.

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The Common Room / Re: Changes to Family Search website
« on: Saturday 16 October 21 19:55 BST (UK)  »
It is ain't broke, don't fix it. The new layout is awful and not an acquired taste as I hoped it would be.

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