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The Common Room / Re: causes of death
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 22:26 BST (UK) »
TB is another possibility. Quite common cause of death among young people at that time.
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The Common Room / Re: Is Sammy as a girl's name (18thC) a diminutive?
« on: Sunday 18 October 15 21:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Barbara,
I think Sammy may be a shortened form or nickname derived from Semiramis. Semiramis is a biblical name (wife of Nimrod). It was not common, but does occur here and there, mostly used by dissenters such as Baptists. I did a quick check and found a few instances of the name. in Lancashire.
I notice that her mother was recorded as 'Semey" on the marriage record.
Carmela
I think Sammy may be a shortened form or nickname derived from Semiramis. Semiramis is a biblical name (wife of Nimrod). It was not common, but does occur here and there, mostly used by dissenters such as Baptists. I did a quick check and found a few instances of the name. in Lancashire.
I notice that her mother was recorded as 'Semey" on the marriage record.
Carmela
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The Common Room / Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« on: Monday 24 August 15 07:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie,
I think it is the same place regardless of spelling difference. Don't think it is likely that there would be two different orphan schools, each at no. 9 Peterb----- or St. Peterb----- Place.
Did a quick map check and it seems that there was no Peterborough Place, so probably just a spelling mistake.
I think it is the same place regardless of spelling difference. Don't think it is likely that there would be two different orphan schools, each at no. 9 Peterb----- or St. Peterb----- Place.
Did a quick map check and it seems that there was no Peterborough Place, so probably just a spelling mistake.
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The Common Room / Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« on: Monday 24 August 15 04:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Jomot,
I have found the name of the orphan school. It was the Bayswater Episcopal Chapel Female Orphan School . I found it in an old book, digitized on Google Books: The Charities of London 1852-53, published 1854 London.
The address of this school matches that of the 1851 Census entry for the school run by Ann Manger and Jane Franklin, 9 Peterburgh Place. Apparently it moved to Victoria Grove Terr. before 1861.
At first, I jumped to the conclusion that an Episcopal Chapel was Wesleyan Methodist because in my American research I have found English Weslayans calling themselves Episcopal Methodists. I don't have time to look into the history at the moment, but whatever the denomination, the Bayswater school was a church charity school.
I snipped the short paragraph from the book and will try to attach it.
hth,
Carmela
I have found the name of the orphan school. It was the Bayswater Episcopal Chapel Female Orphan School . I found it in an old book, digitized on Google Books: The Charities of London 1852-53, published 1854 London.
The address of this school matches that of the 1851 Census entry for the school run by Ann Manger and Jane Franklin, 9 Peterburgh Place. Apparently it moved to Victoria Grove Terr. before 1861.
At first, I jumped to the conclusion that an Episcopal Chapel was Wesleyan Methodist because in my American research I have found English Weslayans calling themselves Episcopal Methodists. I don't have time to look into the history at the moment, but whatever the denomination, the Bayswater school was a church charity school.
I snipped the short paragraph from the book and will try to attach it.
hth,
Carmela
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help with poss boarded out child in Bexley Heath 1880s
« on: Saturday 13 June 15 08:49 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Another possibility that you might consider is that Lily could have been in a childrens' home such as Dr. Barnardo's. Barnardo's homes were very overcrowded and they often boarded out babies and younger children. ( a woman or couple were paid to care for the child until it was old enough to be trained for work or sent abroad) They sometimes sent them to live with people far from their original home. I came across a case like this in helping a friend a few years ago. Her grandfather was put in a Barnardo's home in Nottingham when he was a baby and 5 years later turned up as a boarder with a family in Kent.
Since the Buttons seem to have a history of having child boarders in their home, they may have
had an arrangement with Barnardo's or another childrens' home.
hth,
Carmela
Another possibility that you might consider is that Lily could have been in a childrens' home such as Dr. Barnardo's. Barnardo's homes were very overcrowded and they often boarded out babies and younger children. ( a woman or couple were paid to care for the child until it was old enough to be trained for work or sent abroad) They sometimes sent them to live with people far from their original home. I came across a case like this in helping a friend a few years ago. Her grandfather was put in a Barnardo's home in Nottingham when he was a baby and 5 years later turned up as a boarder with a family in Kent.
Since the Buttons seem to have a history of having child boarders in their home, they may have
had an arrangement with Barnardo's or another childrens' home.
hth,
Carmela
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Oxfordshire / Re: Ambrose COLLINGRIDGE b abt 1820 & Ann BARTON b abt 1822
« on: Tuesday 07 April 15 03:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Connie,
There is a simple answer as to why you can't find Ambrose's baptism in the Somerton PR. the Collingridges were Roman Catholics ( probably the Bartons, too) and as such would have had their children baptised by a RC priest.The RC chapel, long maintained at Somerton by the Fermor family ( old Catholic gentry and lords of the manor) had long since disappeared by 1820.
The Fermors had a chapel at their house in Tusmore (only about 3 miles away) and I suspect that is where Somerton RCs would have attended mass, married and had their children baptised, but between 1754 and 1837 they were required by law to marry in a C of E church, so any marriages in that period should be in the PR of the church where the marriage took place.
I suggest that you get in touch with the OFHS . They should be able to advise you about
RC records . I don't think you will find any online.
As to the marriage c1845, it's very strange that it is not on FreeBMD. Probably just bad luck and it happens to be one of the few records that somehow was mistranscribed or lost. You might try the Oxfordshire Record Office; it may have survived there, even if it never made it to the GRO.
The only bit of good news is that if you want to follow the Collingridge line back in time, there are a lot of wills available on FindMyPast.
hth,
Carmela
There is a simple answer as to why you can't find Ambrose's baptism in the Somerton PR. the Collingridges were Roman Catholics ( probably the Bartons, too) and as such would have had their children baptised by a RC priest.The RC chapel, long maintained at Somerton by the Fermor family ( old Catholic gentry and lords of the manor) had long since disappeared by 1820.
The Fermors had a chapel at their house in Tusmore (only about 3 miles away) and I suspect that is where Somerton RCs would have attended mass, married and had their children baptised, but between 1754 and 1837 they were required by law to marry in a C of E church, so any marriages in that period should be in the PR of the church where the marriage took place.
I suggest that you get in touch with the OFHS . They should be able to advise you about
RC records . I don't think you will find any online.
As to the marriage c1845, it's very strange that it is not on FreeBMD. Probably just bad luck and it happens to be one of the few records that somehow was mistranscribed or lost. You might try the Oxfordshire Record Office; it may have survived there, even if it never made it to the GRO.
The only bit of good news is that if you want to follow the Collingridge line back in time, there are a lot of wills available on FindMyPast.
hth,
Carmela
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The Common Room / Re: Trying to find Anne Mattingly
« on: Thursday 19 March 15 07:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Martin,
I have one of the Mattinglys of Stanford in the Vale on my extended family tree, William Mattingly born abt 1839. I know nothing about his family since he is only a distantly connected by marriage.
Mattingly is not a common name, so I assume he was somehow related to your Anne. William died young (1865), leaving a wife and 2 sons. His widow remarried to one of my gg uncles and emigrated to Australia. It's just a thought, but perhaps Anne also went to Australia since she may had relatives there and a place to stay.
If you want to do any searching in Australia, I can give you details of where my gg uncle and family lived.
hth,
Carmela
I have one of the Mattinglys of Stanford in the Vale on my extended family tree, William Mattingly born abt 1839. I know nothing about his family since he is only a distantly connected by marriage.
Mattingly is not a common name, so I assume he was somehow related to your Anne. William died young (1865), leaving a wife and 2 sons. His widow remarried to one of my gg uncles and emigrated to Australia. It's just a thought, but perhaps Anne also went to Australia since she may had relatives there and a place to stay.
If you want to do any searching in Australia, I can give you details of where my gg uncle and family lived.
hth,
Carmela
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Nottinghamshire / Re: Born in Nottingham Prison
« on: Friday 27 February 15 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie,
Just want to thank you for posting the information from the newspaper articles. These were not available online when I was searching several years ago. All I found was an accout of the 1886 trial.
I never did find out what became of Ellen. I think that will remain a mystery.
Carmela
Just want to thank you for posting the information from the newspaper articles. These were not available online when I was searching several years ago. All I found was an accout of the 1886 trial.
I never did find out what became of Ellen. I think that will remain a mystery.
Carmela
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: lost uncle
« on: Wednesday 18 December 13 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I just checked FreeBMD and the children you mention were registered in the W.Derby District.. I then serched for others registered in that district, surname Davies and mother's MN Rooney. This brought up Margaret Jun 1912, Charles Mar.1915 and Isabella Dec 1924. Margaret and Isabella appear to have died as infants, but I did not see a likely death for Charles.
Mother's maiden named was not given before 1911, so there is no way of finding others born before that time.. You still need to find the 1911 Census for any others born 1904-1911. I can't do that as I don't have a sub.at the moment. The 1911 Census will also give you the number of children born to the parents and the number that have died., so you will then know if there are any others left to find.
hth and Merry Christmas
Carmela
I just checked FreeBMD and the children you mention were registered in the W.Derby District.. I then serched for others registered in that district, surname Davies and mother's MN Rooney. This brought up Margaret Jun 1912, Charles Mar.1915 and Isabella Dec 1924. Margaret and Isabella appear to have died as infants, but I did not see a likely death for Charles.
Mother's maiden named was not given before 1911, so there is no way of finding others born before that time.. You still need to find the 1911 Census for any others born 1904-1911. I can't do that as I don't have a sub.at the moment. The 1911 Census will also give you the number of children born to the parents and the number that have died., so you will then know if there are any others left to find.
hth and Merry Christmas
Carmela