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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Monday 16 August 10 21:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I have do notknow for sure if this is the couple I am looking for.

He was possilby born in Staines in 1876 or 1879.

He lived initally in SA and mostly in Rhodesia where he was eventually a Major in the BSAP (British SA Police which I think became the Rhodesian army).

I do know his travels were:
 1899 WC Hoaten travelled from London to South Africa (Cape) on the Maori

1906 W Hoaten travelled from Cape Town to Southampton (no indication of his marital status)

1907 W Hoaten and E Hoate travelled from South Hampton to South Africa (Cape)

1925 William Charles Hoaten travelled from Durban to Southampton. For this entry, 1 site spell his surname as Hooten another as Horten and another as Hoaten.

His date of birth is variously listed as abt 1874, abt 1877, 1878, 1879 and abt 1880 (this last date is definetly not correct)

E Hoaten birth date is listed on the travel manifest as 1886

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Sunday 08 August 10 10:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi

The 1907 marriage was for a William Hooton not a William Charles. Hooton though an unusual surname isn't a rare surname so you would expect to find William Hootons as the London example has demonstrated. This William was enumerated in Stoke on Trent registration district in 1901.

1901 census RG13 2605 folio 146
51 Sandon Street Staffordshire
George Hooton 48 Head Married Labourer for a railway playter Olney Buckinghamshire
Keziah Hooton 47 Wife Married  Hanley Staffordshire
Thomas E Hooton 21 Son Labourer for a bricklayer Hanley Staffordshire
William Hooton 19 Son Hanley Staffordshire Labourer for a bricklayer Hanley Staffordshire
Keziah Hooton 8 Daughter Hanley Staffordshire


Have you found William Charles Hoaten's marriage to Mary Mabel? Did it occur in South Africa?


Regards

Valda

Hi Valda

This is not my guy - he was in SA in 1899, went back to UK in 1906 and returned in 1907 with wife E(Elizabeth). Thanks for the info.

No marriage cert to Mabel Mary - they were married in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) who have nothing online and the government has made it almost impossible to get information from Zim. Probably have to wait for Robert Mugabe to die before any records are readily available .......

Michelle

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / William Charles Hoaten
« on: Sunday 08 August 10 00:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi

The below marriage is possibly the William Hoaten/Hooten that I am looking for.
Mar Qtr 1907, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
William HOOTON and Elizabeth EVANS
Married: Shelton St Mark Stoke on Trent.


Any suggestions on who his parents were and where they were before and after the marriage

If this is the person I am looking for, they would have sailed from Southampton to South Africa on The German. His occupation in 1907 was a Warrant Officer in the BSAP/- R.S.M. (S.R.V?.)- English British Subject.

Thanks

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Saturday 07 August 10 23:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi Valda

It seems that I have been following a dead end as I suspected. Thanks for the info and your help.

Looks like  I should follow the
                  Mar Qtr 1907, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
                   William HOOTON and Elizabeth EVANS
track instead.

Michelle

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Friday 06 August 10 16:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi

William Hooten is with his parents in Hamptead in 1891. His birthplace is given as Marylebone and he is a telegraph messenger aged 15

Most likely birth registration

Births Sep 1875   Hooton  William Henry    Pancras  1b 7


If he was a serving officer at the time of his marriage circa 1907 then it may be in the army registers not in the domestic GRO indexes

Regards

Valda

Not sure about this birth as his WW1 medals are in the name of William Charles and so are all his documents in SA - unless he chagned his middle name on the way to or before he got to SA ???

Any idea how to look for this info in the army registers?

Thanks

Michelle

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Friday 06 August 10 16:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi

A possible marriage between Sep Qtr 1906 to Mar Qtr 1907 - small window, lots of names if one considers the many ways HOATEN might be alternatively spelled  :'(

But one entry stands out for me on FreeBMD
Mar Qtr 1907, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
William HOOTON and Elizabeth EVANS

They are also on the Staffs BMD (which confirms they are a pair) - married Shelton St Mark Stoke on Trent.
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

Long shot  ???

Cheers
AMBLY

Long shots sometimes are correct....... I will have to follow the line of Elizabeth Evans and see where that goes.  According to information I have, he was born in 1874/1876/1879.... and his wife born about 1886. I wonder if this ties in with the marriage you mention.

What is 'Staffs BMD'?

Thanks

Michelle

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Friday 06 August 10 16:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi

William Hooten is with his parents in Hamptead in 1891. His birthplace is given as Marylebone and he is a telegraph messenger aged 15

Most likely birth registration

Births Sep 1875   Hooton  William Henry    Pancras  1b 7


If he was a serving officer at the time of his marriage circa 1907 then it may be in the army registers not in the domestic GRO indexes

Regards

Valda

How does he go from William HENRY to William CHARLES ??? WW1 medals are issued to William C Hoaten. He is known in SA and buried in Rhodesia as William Charles.

Michelle

Michelle

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Thanks: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Friday 06 August 10 16:23 BST (UK)  »
W and E Hoaten travelled on 12 Jan 1907 from Southampton to South Africa on the German.
He was 29 and a warrant officer.She was 21.

There is a WW1 Medal card in his name,says he served as a Lieutenant in the British South African Police.

Hope that helps

Carol

Thanks for this, each little piece of info helps solve the puzzle. I do know about the medals, thanks

Michelle

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Charles Hoaten
« on: Friday 06 August 10 07:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ambly

E Hoaten was his 1st wife. As with almost any other documentation of him, I have not been able to find a marriage certificate for them - so it is possible he went back in 1906 to get married. ::)

I personally have not looked at any travel manifests, so do not know what his marital status is listed as. ???

Thanks

Michelle

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