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Debra,

With a bit of invaluable help, I have located where Sarah Jupp's grave is. It is unfortunately unmarked.
I need to take a couple of photos, as the ones' I took to map the area out aren't suitable. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that I can post photos on this board, so can't share them. I will be in touch with some photos and location information later in the week.

For anyone else looking for early graves in Hither Green, the First Ground appears to start at the old Verdant Lane entrance and follow up past the C of E chapel (Plot A). The Jupp grave is in one of the Third Ground areas and is down at the bottom of the old part, in what is now Plot C.

Phil

Having now seen a copy of the burial register for Sarah Jupp, it looks like the original numbering system at Hither Green Cemetery was significantly different in 1885 to that adopted some time later.

The layout probably didn't change - the earliest map I have is 1896 and it is the same as the current layout. However, the plots appear to be split into 1st, 2nd and 3rd Grounds. The 3rd Ground included unconsecrated burials and therefore, presumably non-conformist burials. There are two chapels on the site to reflect these needs. The plots were later designated A to F and the graves sequentially numbered in each plot.

The Jupp grave (No. 2019), is a purchased, consecrated grave in the 3rd Ground.

As we don't know if the grave had a headstone, kerb, etc. it looks like the services of Lewisham Bereavement Services will be required to provide some location details.

Phil

Hello Sandie,

I found the grave but it does not have a headstone and is sunk into the grass and bramble stalks. The front kerb has been laid on the top and after a bit of careful work, I found an engraved inscription to George on it. I found the inscription to Annie on the right hand kerb. Unfortunately I didn't have any water to wash them off. I have sorted out the various photos and will be in touch.

Plot X at Hither Green (Frances Newman) is adjacent to Verdant Lane and may be a grave that contains a number of civilian war casualties.

The Sarah Jupp grave reference remains a mystery.

Phil

Thanks Chris for jumping in. You're obviously around earlier than me.

Debra,
As Chris said, the cheapest and quickest option is to use deceasedonline. Definitely avoid their maps though. Ladywell and Hither Green are relatively logical in regards to grave numbering, except for the additional ones they cram in around the edges. Once you have the details, post them here and I'm sure one of us will be able to provide more information. I am only a few minutes walk from Hither Green cemetery.

Phil

Chris,

I puzzled over the empty / unmarked area as well, but given the logical locations of 792, 801 and 815, thought the one my picture was the most likely. I did stumble on a stray kerbstone in the empty plot in the row above Arman's but can't for the life of me remember what number was on it. If you are up there again you will see where I cleared it off. Unfortunately I was tight for time on Sunday.
I find that, generally,Greenwich is one of the best for logical numbering, but, I suppose that only the Cemetery Office will be able to confirm the location beyond doubt.

Phil