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Staffordshire / Re: The Dunnings of Wolstanton
« on: Friday 15 March 13 12:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, and my apologies for the delay in replying.

Many thanks for the information you've supplied.

I've been going through some of my old Dunning notes and, so far, can find little connection between the Wolstanton and Wellington Dunnings. (The '51 Census for Wellington records a William Dunning and a John Dunning, both born in Staffordshire and living, or at least present, in Shropshire.)

There are also a couple of references to Tonks or Tunks which might prove interesting.

I'll continue investigating and thanks again.

Regards

Andrew

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Staffordshire / Re: The Dunnings of Wolstanton
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 16:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

I am interested in the links between the Dunnings of Wolstanton and the Dunnings of Wellington.  I have the Thomas you are talking about as the son of Joseph Dunning and Grace Porter bp Wellington 3 May 1795 but I may be wrong. 

I have this relationship as a vague possibility. The problem is that I believe Joseph Dunning married Grace Porter on 5 August 1803 at Wellington All Saints according to two secondary sources. Since Thomas married Alice Onions on 24 July 1815, I believe he was born in or before 1795 your quoted date for his baptism is quite reasonable. Could I ask where you got this date from, please.

I must admit I haven't been researching this part of my family tree for some time and, having a quick look through them, realise my Dunning notes are badly out of date. I note, however, that a Joseph Dunning was buried 7 January 1816, aged 44, in Lawley Bank (south of Wellington, Shropshire) and that a Grace Dunning can be found in the 1821, 1841 and 1851 censuses as a widow.

I am also interested in James Dunning who married Rebecca Tunks in Wellington in 1730 and John Dunning who married Martha Lane in Wellington in 1722.  Interestingly two brothers of about the same age and with the same names were baptised in Wolstanton in 1705 and 1703, the sons of Joseph and Maria Dunning.  There are no marriages in Wolstanton which would be likely and no baptisms in Wellington at about the right time either - it is very tempting to tie up the baptisms in Wolstanton with the weddings in Wellington but is it right?

It would be certainly correct to note that the possibility exists. More research is needed ( ;)) Why did the brothers move the Wellington? Work? As an aside, I have a reference to a Joseph Dunning marrying a Mary Baslow (or Barlow) in Wolstanton on 1 February 1701 according to the IGI, if this helps.

I've never tried to connect the Dunnings of Wolstanton and the Dunnings of Wellington but it does seem to be an avenue worth travelling down.

noman

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Willenhall / The Three Tuns Pub
« on: Monday 20 July 09 09:44 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone remember the Three Tuns Public House in Willenhall? ......  I believe it has now been demolished. My gt grandparents were the publicans here circa 1905, I would love to see a picture  of the pub, does anyone know where I might find one?

Hello Alyson,

Not sure if you're interested in the history of the Three Tuns Pub but, according to the 1861 Census entry, a distant cousin of mine (one Meshach Rowley) may have been the publican. At the time, it was recorded as an Inn and Provision Shop and my cousin was also a General Rimlock Maker. A busy man by the sound of it.

Regards

Andrew

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Shropshire / Re: Anslow/Ansloe family in Shropshire
« on: Saturday 25 April 09 10:17 BST (UK)  »
Hello Judith,

Thanks for your email and my apologies for the delay in replying.


The death for John Anslow on 11 April 1849 at Willenhall was a male ; 2 years; son of John Anslow Locksmith; pneumonia - 3 weeks; the informant was Sarah Anslow ( that would be grandmother). So this would be son of John and Harriett Turner. John being the son of John and Sarah Holt.

This certainly increases the probability that John Anslow was the son of John Anslow and Sarah Holt. It's curious that John's birth about 1847 doesn't appear on either FreeBMD or the IGI.

I think I'll have to give up my day job and get back to genealogy research as I haven't been able to do much lately <g>.

Hope you're well.

Regards

Andrew

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Shropshire / Re: Anslow/Ansloe family in Shropshire
« on: Saturday 28 February 09 11:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Judith and thanks again for your very detailed reply.


At first I was sceptical about differnt spellings of the surname but having found the same perosn listed under different spellings I have come to accept. One has to remember that at this time many of the people were illiterate and they did have a broad accent!

John Anslow in the final quarter 1846 married Sarah Godwin.
John Anslow who married Harriett Whittle was a stone miner ( niece stayed with them in one census)

I believe that your John is that one who married Harriett Turner in the Jun 1845 quarter.( Walsall) - under Hanslow.  I live in Australia but have a friend/cousin who looks things up for me. She checked that marriage licence and the father's name was John.

I believe that your John was the one who was born at Church Eaton 30 August 1821 with father John and mother Sarah.

I believe the parents  to be John of Bradley (bapt 2 June 1793) and Sarah Holt of Church Eaton ( bapt 20 Aug 1800) who married 27 December 1819 at Church Eaton.
I have not sighted original documents but from IGI and census I have the baptisms of their children as:-
1820 Mar 6 - Sarah at Church Eaton
1821 Aug 30 - John at Church Eaton
1824 - Thomas at Penkridge (census and IGI)
1826 June 25 - Margaret at Codsall
1836 June 19 William at Bushbury
1840 Ann at Willenhall (from census)
1842 Henry from census ( from census)

John's brothers Thomas, William and Henry were all locksmiths or padlock makers or rimlock makers. They all lived in either John Street or around the corner at Hall street. John of Bradley and your John were in John Street in 61/71/census. So I think you John was of this family.


I must agree with your comments about the spelling of people's surnames. Even now, my own surname is spelt in a variety of ways in current documents!! I had been looking at variations of Anslow(e) and Onslow(e) but must admit I hadn't thought of Hanslow. Another avenue to explore (sigh!).

I'm still stuck with John Anslow. My great grandmother was Harriet Anslow, who married Joseph Rowley in January 1869. On their marriage certificate, her father was recorded as John Anslow, a locksmith. Assuming I have the correct census records, Harriet can be found in the 1861 Census (RG9/1999 folio 120 page 10 schedule 59) as the daughter of John Anslow, aged 9 and born in Willenhall, Staffordshire. The family was living in Hall Street, Willenhall at the time of the Census. John is recorded as aged 39 and born in Willenhall in that entry.

Harriet also appears in the 1851 Census, 4 months and born in Willenhall. The address is given as 64 Union Street, Willenhall. (HO107/2020 folio 466 page 18 schedule 64) This time, John is recorded as aged 26 and born in Church (Down?), Staffordshire.

That I have John and his family living in Hall Street in the 1861 Census whereas you believe they were in John Street is worrying, I need to find time to investigate the Census data again as well as visiting the archives.

I'll let you know what I find.

Regards

Andrew

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Shropshire / Re: Anslow/Ansloe family in Shropshire
« on: Friday 20 February 09 08:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Judith,

Thanks for your very detailed email and my apologies for my delay in replying. I've been away for a few days and arrived back late last night.

Please give me a couple of days to look at the information and I'll write again.

Regards

Andrew

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Shropshire / Re: Anslow/Ansloe family in Shropshire
« on: Monday 16 February 09 08:43 GMT (UK)  »
[quote/]Do you know who your John Anslow, born at Church Eaton in 1822, married?
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From my research notes on this elusive great grat grandfather:-

John was married to a Harriet and this is confirmed by the 1851, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 Censuses.

It might be reasonable to say the marriage took place in Willenhall as this seems to be Harriet's birthplace and they lived there afterwards.

Based on the 1851 Census, they were married at the time of the Census. The IGI has an entry for the marriage of a John Anslow and a Harriet Whittle on 22 September 1851 at Rushall, Staffordshire. This is presumably not them.

FreeBMD records the marriage of a John Anslow in Wolverhampton 17 349, December 1839. One of the names on the same page was Harriet Rollands. (This may be a little early as John would have been about 17. Also, why the large gap before their first (?) child.)

FreeBMD lists the marriage of a John Anslow in Wellington (18 321) in the second quarter of 1846. However, the only female name is that of Anne Icke.

FreeBMD records the marriage of a John Anslow in the final quarter of 1846. The female names on the same page are Ann Brown, Sarah Godwin, Elizabeth Lownds and Caroline Frances Nevitt. The location of the marriage is given as Stafford.

FreeBMD records the marriage of a John Audley Anslow Bridgnorth 18 29, March 1848. One of the female names on the same page was Harriet Hill. (Why Bridgnorth and was his name John Audley Anslow?)

According to FreeBMD, a John Anslow married in Shiffnal in June 1854. The only female on the same page was an Ellen Morgan. This marriage would be most unlikely as they were already married by 1851.

Wolverhampton On-Line Archives lists the marriages of three John Anslows at St Giles, Wllenhall but the transcripts only go to 1839.

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Shropshire / Re: Anslow/Ansloe family in Shropshire
« on: Wednesday 10 December 08 14:33 GMT (UK)  »
One of my probable great great grandfathers was a John Anslow, born in Church Eaton, just south of Gnosall, in 1822. I haven't been able to get further back although there is an 1841 Census entry for a John, son of Abraham and Margaret Anslow, living in Gnosall, Staffordshire  (HO107/974/6 folio 35 page 11) who might be him.


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Staffordshire / Re: The Dunnings of Wolstanton
« on: Tuesday 09 December 08 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Richard,

Thanks for your reply.

I was aware of Richard Lords site and we have had  a number of discussions and exchanges of information in the past. There was a large Dunning family in the Wellington area which can be traced back to the early 1600s.

My problem is the 1851 census information which records him as being born in Wolstanton, Staffordshire or the 1861 census which simply states Staffordshire. A quick check of Family Search shows there were Dunnings in Wolstanton in the 1700's but sadly no Thomas is listed.

Thanks again

noman


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