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Dear Ducatist

The reference to the 1100s indicates that you have looked at the Visitations of Cornwall, which I have hardly touched as far as research is concerned.

The people named on those were landowners of some kind, and documents related to them are located in various places in UK, the USA, in various private collections, and places yet to be found. In addition, source documents continue to be entered on the internet, as in the case of the Cornish Wills, and Graveyard/Headstones, both being placed online or for sale via CD by the Cornish Family History Society.

These particular records are more accessible due to them being mostly after 1537 and the edict of King Henry VIII requiring Baptisms Marriages, and Burials to be formalised in Churches. This was, I believe, for two main reasons, i) to get Anglican Church support for his divorces, and ii) to obtain a clear idea of available troops in the ever likely event of war. This was supplemented by the Muster Rolls carried out in Tudor England, a copy of which for Cornwall I have somewhere on my computers.


The Penrose's were into everything in Cornwall, apart from the top of anything. For example, most families left Cornwall for other parts: a Penrose family was Earl Of Monmouth; and another one lived at Hertford Castle - which I know well from childhood visits.

If I knew where you were, I might be able to advise on availability of resources or local research societies.

What I have written above is just a taste of the sort of information or resources available.

You can just 'Google' someone and see what comes up, or look into a specific line.

I would be interested  in any research you have done to get from yourself down to William Penrose of Merther.

Regards

Chris Penrose
(Born in Cornwall, residing in Leeds, Yorkshire)

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Cornwall / Re: Origins of PENROSE aka PENROS
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 14:44 BST (UK)  »
Due to the maximum of 5500 characters per posting. this is the rest of my initial research:

1871 Census
66,Front Street,1,Mary A Penrose,Head,U,,26,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,William H Penrose,Brothr,U,24,,Butcher,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Caroline Penrose,Sister,U,,20,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Edwin Penrose,Brothr,U,18,,Goldsmith,Gwennap Cornwall,,
RG10/2313 Folio 23 Page 10

49,Carharrack,1,Wm Michell,Head,M,67,,Farm Labourer,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Fanny Michell,Wife,M,,63,,Quebec Canada Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,,Louisa Michell,Dau,U,,18,Work Mine,Gwennap Cornwall,,
RG10/2313 Folio 10 Page 11

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/72313.html
1861 Census
49,Vogue,1,William Michell,Head,M,55,,Road Labourer,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Frances Michell,Wife,M,,44,,Quebec North America Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,,Henry Michell,Son,U,23,,Copper Miner,Quebec North America Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,,Lousia Michell,Dau,,,9,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Sarah Michell,Dau,,,6,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
RG9/1577(2) Folio 108 Page 12

102,Carharrack,1,John Penrose,Head,W,50,,Tailor,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Mary A Penrose,Dau,U,,18,Housekeeper,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,William H Penrose,Son,,15,,Carter A C,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Joseph Penrose,Son,,12,,Carter A C,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Caroline Penrose,Dau,,,10,Scholar,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Edwin Penrose,Son,,8,,Scholar,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Annie Penrose,Niece,U,,21,Tailoress,Gwennap Cornwall,,
RG9/1577(2) Folio 122 Page 17
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/61577a.html
1851 Census
3,Vogue,William Michell,Head,M,44,,Gardener,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Frances Michell,Wife,M,,34,,Quebec Brit Subj Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Henry Michell,Son,U,16,,Copper Miner,Quebec Brit Subj Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,William Michell,Son,,11,,Copper Miner,Canada Brit Subj Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Jane Michell,Dau,,,9,Sunday Scholar,Canada Brit Subj Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Frances Michell,Dau,,,7,Sunday Scholar,Leeds Yorkshire,,
,,Elizabeth Michell,Dau,,,5,,\- Ireland,,
,,John Michell,Son,,3,,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Louisa Michell,Dau,,,1m,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
HO107/1914(3) Folio 199 Pages 1-2
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/51914c.html
37,Carharrack,John Penrose,Head,M,46,,Tailor,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Eliza Penrose,Wife,M,,40,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Amelia Penrose,Dau,U,,19,Grocer,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Eliza Penrose,Dau,U,,17,At Home,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,John Penrose,Son,U,16,,Scholar,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Rosena Penrose,Dau,U,,12,Scholar,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Mary Ann Penrose,Dau,U,,7,Scholar,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,William Henry Penrose,Son,U,4,,At Home,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Joseph Penrose,Son,U,3,,At Home,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,Caroline Penrose,Dau,U,,1,At Home,Gwennap Cornwall,,
HO107/1914 (4) Folio 380 Page 12
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/51914c.html
Day Month   28-Feb
Year   1855
Parish Or Reg District   Gwennap
Forename   Eliza
Surname   PENROSE
Age   44
Residence   Carharrack
Notes   
Transcriber Notes   
Transcriber   Karen Duvall
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1255932
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All the best

Chris

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Cornwall / Re: Origins of PENROSE aka PENROS
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 14:42 BST (UK)  »
The formatting comes out, but if you look at the data on the screen, by putting in the internet addresses all should become clear.


Parish Register Record
Day Month   03-Aug Year   1873 Parish Or Reg District   Gwennap
Forename   William John     Surname   PENROSE      Sex   son
Father  Forename   William Henry   Mother  Forename   Mary Louisa
Residence   Carharrack   Father  Rank/Profession   Miner
Notes   J.M. Michell Mary Michell M.J.Phillips (witnesses)
Transcriber  Coral Jennings
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1948702
~~~~~~~~---------------------------------------
1881 Census    William J. PENROSE           Male    
Birth Year    <1873> Birthplace    Gwennap, Cornwall, England
Age    8 (Ages in Census normally rounded up to next birthday)
Occupation    Scholar           Marital Status  U    
Head of Household    William Hy. PENROSE          Relation   Son
Source Information:
Dwelling   Road Leading To St Day    Census Place    Gwennap, Cornwall, England
Family History Library Film   1341560
Public Records Office Reference    RG11
Piece / Folio   2329 / 18          Page Number   9
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp

Full Census Record
Household Record    1881 British Census
    
Search results |  Download
Previous Household  
Next Household

________________________________________
    Household: (spelling mistakes – see 1891 record below)
 Name    Relation   Marital Status   Gender   Age   Birthplace   Occupation   Disability
 William Hy. PENROSE
 Head     M     Male     35     Gwennap, Cornwall, England     Butcher      
 Lousia PENROSE
 Wife     M     Female     30     Gwennap, Cornwall, England     Butcher Wife      
 William J. PENROSE
 Son          Male     8     Gwennap, Cornwall, England     Scholar      
 Thomas M. PENROSE
 Son          Male     6     Gwennap, Cornwall, England     Scholar      
 Annie PENROSE
 Daur          Female     4     Gwennap, Cornwall, England           
 Frederick PENROSE
 Son          Male     3     Gwennap, Cornwall, England           
 Aurthur PENROSE
 Son          Male     8 m     Gwennap, Cornwall, England           

________________________________________
Source Information:
    Dwelling     Road Leading To St Day
    Census Place   Gwennap, Cornwall, England
    Family History Library Film     1341560

    Public Records Office Reference     RG11
    Piece / Folio     2329 / 18
    Page Number     9


http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/82329.html

1891 Census
Folio 9 Page 12

92,Albion Row,1,William H Penrose,Head,M,45,,Butcher & Farmer,Employer,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Louisa Penrose,Wife,M,,39,,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,William J Penrose,Son,S,17,,Farmers Son,Employed,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Thomas M Penrose,Son,S,16,,Farmers Son,Employed,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Fred Penrose,Son,,13,,Scholar,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Arthur Penrose,Son,,10,,Scholar,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Lily Penrose,Dau,,,8,Scholar,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Nellie Penrose,Dau,,,7,Scholar,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Ida M Penrose,Dau,,,3,,,Gwennap Cornwall,,
,,,Ivan H Penrose,Son,,1,,,,Gwennap Cornwall,,

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/1845.html
Marriage of William Henry Penrose to Louisa
Surname     First name(s)          District     Vol     Page
Marriages Mar 1873   (>99%)
Michell    Mary Louisa         Redruth    5c   376     Scan available - click to view
PENROSE    William Henry         Redruth    5c   376     Scan available - click to view

References to James Penrose of St Just have been deleted as wrong.

All the best

Chris Penrose

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Cornwall / Re: Origins of PENROSE aka PENROS
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 14:38 BST (UK)  »
I have sent a personal message.

Regards

Chris

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Cornwall / Re: Origins of PENROSE aka PENROS
« on: Tuesday 24 April 12 21:15 BST (UK)  »
I have now tracked back through the census records of Gwennap to the nearest to when William Henry's parents were born.

These details are all on a Word 2010 document.

William Henry's parents were John PENROSE and Eliza - who died in 1855.

All the best

Chris

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Cornwall / Re: Origins of PENROSE aka PENROS
« on: Tuesday 24 April 12 05:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi there

I have checked my family history email account and have found your request.

Gwennap is not a parish involving my line back to at least 1600, however I am quite happy to research this.

There is information from a few websites that indicate William Henry PENROSE of Gwennap as his father, and I am now double checking my findings by tracing back further.


I can also provide you with the websites and details by email of what I have found to date.
All the best

Chris
 

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Scotland / Re: help with a needle in heystack
« on: Friday 20 January 12 18:21 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, dwalin

Good to know that some potentially difficult brickwalls can be knocked down.

A note to Monica is that slaves would have only their first name or even just a number, with the highest number being least important. If they became free they would usually take on the name of their patron - Joseph Nixon.

Always here

Chris

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Scotland / Further to Joseph and Clifford Nixon in Dominica
« on: Saturday 10 December 11 23:34 GMT (UK)  »
For more historical background, have a look also at the Genweb project @ http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/dominica/

I can see from the timings involved, that men of means could have been invited or persuaded to move to Dominica to take advantage of cheap, or even free, land and labour, and abundant natural resources.

The mention of voting rights for those with land, in what had become a British colony (at that time), makes me think that records might exist in the UK at either the British Library and/or the Foreign Office or relevant embassies.

Somewhere there are dusty volumes containing references to the what why and when concerning Joseph NIXON and his life, but without some specific family details about Joseph NIXON and his parents, this could be difficult.

I note from the original post that no reference is made to why this lookup is needed, and any prior research by the originator - this would help to provide direction and to avoid duplication.

I will carry on with some reading of the old newspapers available online from the British Library and The Times - an endless source of entertainment. I got in to these by going to my library website, going to online resources, and entering my library card number when reaching the relevant resource.

A word of caution, dwalin, it should be them making the running in solving this problem and making this call for help - don't make it your life's work to find the answers. I have a lot more time than you do, but even I have limits - I think.

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Cornwall / Re: Ann(e) Giddey
« on: Friday 06 May 11 22:52 BST (UK)  »
Good luck with this GG with Margaret and others elsewhere. The best people to help you are nearly always those with a special SURNAME interest or some extra time.

I seem to be popular on the work front at the moment which takes up all my brain energy, lol, which is why I stick to the Penrose line.

I will leave your info on my Origins of Penroses thread.

Kind Regards

Chris

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