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Denbighshire / Re: Hughes & Parry in Llangollen
« on: Tuesday 05 March 19 23:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

i have just discovered the Parrys. I have the same information as you, plus I found Thomas and his brother Jonathan living with their mother Margaret on the same page as Robert and Mary in 1841, Crogen Iddon.. that's as far as I have got. I also thought perhaps Mary was elsewhere on Census day in 1851 as Robert says he is still married..but not managed to identify her.  In one Census, Robert and Mary's son is down as also being born in Shropshire.

I have a baptism for Robert to David Hughes and Mary, possibly Edwards, in St Martin's Salop. I also found a possible baptism for Mary Parry in 1808.. so she would only have been 15 when she married Robert.

I am descended from Robert Hughes bn 1828, son of Robert and Mary. He settled in Froncysyllte.

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Monmouthshire / Re: 1871 Mill Roller Trevethin - Help Please
« on: Friday 23 November 18 23:59 GMT (UK)  »
Don't worry too much.. it was just on the off chance.. thanks Mary.

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Monmouthshire / Re: 1871 Mill Roller Trevethin - Help Please
« on: Friday 23 November 18 15:26 GMT (UK)  »
I think they probably are the same ironworks..
They may have known each other I guess... 

My maiden name is Hillier by the way.. they are all from Wiltshire.

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Monmouthshire / Re: 1871 Mill Roller Trevethin - Help Please
« on: Friday 23 November 18 09:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hello... I found it out from Census Returns and one of them has it on his gravestone I think, plus on conveyancing papers and a Will.  James was 'Forge Agent', I think a term for manager and whilst doing that he bought the Railway Inn plus 4 cottages next door to the Inn. He died in 1851. His son Joseph took over and was also an Inn keeper at the Inn with his family. Joseph has also been described as a 'rail inspector' but that appears on his children's marriage details, but he died when they were very young, so unsure if they just made it up. He died in 1864..not sure how long he was at the forge for.
Have you any pictures of the forge? I can't find anything online.

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Monmouthshire / Re: 1871 Mill Roller Trevethin - Help Please
« on: Thursday 22 November 18 21:20 GMT (UK)  »
My ancestors were the Forge Agents, or managers of the forge at Pontnewynydd in the 1840/s til 1851. their names were James Aston and Joseph, his son. James started life as a roller in Merthyr Tydfil, following on from his father, Samuel, who came from Broseley Shopshire in the mid 1780s, as skilled labour for the ironworks.

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Long time no do any family history! If any of you are still following this line...

There was mention of the name Perkins being the Grandmother of Sarah Aston bn abt 1842/54. this is an in correct assumption. In the Census of 1871, it is the head of the house all people are related to.. so she would be the grandmother of Henry Poulsom, not sarah. I didn't really understand where the information came regarding who Sarah grew up with. I see from the 1861 Census, that Joseph has a servant with a surname of Perkins. 

Sarah is most certainly a child of Joseph Aston and Jane Williams as she is listed as such in Joseph's Will. Anna Maria is certainly Sarah's little sister, but in the Census, there is often no distinction made between sister and sister in law or step sister, hence the confusion. Hope that helps.

Joseph's first wife had another child in 1854 in Pensylvannia. She had taken the three youngest Aston children with her so unlikely that Sarah is hers. Bearing in mind there was no such thing as divorce, I suspect Joseph and Jane felt they could not marry too soon. He lied, saying he was a widower, in 1855.

I expect Sarah married young because she had no father to look after her, only a step father.

Finally.. the references to Henry Burrows and Edna Burrows.. they are not on my tree. My grandparents were Harry and Edna, not Henry and did not have children with those names.

Any news folks?

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Hi..

Thanks for your message..

We struggled to work out what happened to Joseph's first family, but it seems almost certain that his first wife emigrated to America and took her children with her, hence their complete disappearance. She remarried and had more children, whilst Joseph married Jane, claiming to be a Widower!

It might be that Sarah was in fact a child of Jane's, before they were married. I don't know when Ann left for Pensylvania... but obviously before May 1855 when Jospeh and Jane were married.. J and J could easily have had an illegitimate child before that date.. Jane's maiden name was Williams. It might be worth getting hold of Sarah's birth certificate..

A descendant of Ann discovered her in 1860 US Census, now as Ann Wallace, with new husband William, and three of her children, William, George and Samuel, plus Alison Wallace aged 6, who was born in Pensylvania, so they must have arrived there by 1854.. Ann's maiden name was Israel and I believe she may have used this name in the US..

This is what the above descendant wrote..

'Hi. I just obtained a copy of my great grandfather's death certificate which listed his mother was being named Anne Israel from Wales. My great grandfather's name was Samuel Aston. He was born in Monmouthshire about 1850 and immigrated with his mother Anne and siblings to Scranton, Pennsylvania USA. His father might have been named Joseph Aston. I am trying to find out more information about Anne Israel and what happened to Joseph Aston, her first husband. After Anne came to America she married William Wallace in Pennsylvania. Any information about the Israel family in Monmouthshire, Wales is greatly appreciated.'):
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=413&p=surnames.israel


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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Hughes in Froncysyllte
« on: Wednesday 27 April 11 09:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks.

 So I think I will have to try the Ffestiniog route - it's the only avenue left to try.



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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Hughes in Froncysyllte
« on: Tuesday 26 April 11 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Maybe, I found that record too, but when you see it in the flesh, it is crossed out! Which would have been her maiden name, Roberts or Williams? She's Roberts on Thomas's birth cert. Will consider the ffestiniog one..

Thanks ever so much. Robert and Susannah will always be a mystery I think.

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