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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry.com dna results
« on: Thursday 15 December 16 09:36 GMT (UK)  »
Devon Cruwys, thank you, these two blogs are very helpful.

Based on the distribution of my own English Ancestry, if I was " average" I would expect about 21% West Europe DNA and 18% Irish DNA. My result of 38% West Europe helps confirm the previous well researched link back to my Huguenot ancesters. My Irish at 21% versus 18% average is probably not statistically significant and may just be down to the randomness of the percentages we inherit from each generation.

Learning all the time on DNA. At the moment I really just see it as "supporting evidence" to the real paper trail based genealogy which takes all my time! It would be good if the Ancestry DNA regions were smaller to give more granularity, maybe that is for the future.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry.com dna results
« on: Tuesday 13 December 16 14:04 GMT (UK)  »
Fizz, I had a similarish result.

My research so far, sometimes back to 1500s shows nearly all my ancestors are English about 98%. However my DNA result was 38% Western Europe, 30% Britain 21% Ireland 11% Trace (mostly North Europe).

First reaction, giving I consider myself almost 100% English supported by much research, why does Ancestry DNA only find me as 30% British ?

The answer is partly due to the time period, ie DNA goes back much further. When we think family history we focus mainly on last 200 years, for DNA we need to think last 2000 years and historical events. In my case one of my great grandfather's was believed to be descended from Huguenots and they turned up in the Fenland area in 1500's.. that line of the family has been traced back that far, but just short of the Huguenots arriving in England. Also this great grandfather married his second cousin who descended from the same line, which effectively doubles my density of Huguenot Ancestry.

We must also remember the Normans. Another of my family lines can be traced via a 6 x great-grandfather back to King Edward I and therefore William I. I expect just about every "English man or woman" carried a degree of Norman DNA.

I can therefore understand my percentage of Western Europe as a result of previous migrations into Britain. I am more surprised at my Irish 21% as I am yet to find an Irish ancestor and over history Ireland has not really been invaded. There has of course been quite a bit of people movement between Ireland and Britain for many centuries, so that is probably the explanation.   Phil.

 :) :) ;)

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« on: Wednesday 03 February 16 13:18 GMT (UK)  »
I am interested in DNA and have been thinking of taking a test for some time. I have held off because I am yet to be convinced about the quality and accuracy of the report. Really want to establish first if DNA test provides real value add to my family history research or basically a waste of money and time ?

Through traditional research methods, I have traced most of my family lines back to the 18th century, some earlier. I know my roots are 100% English in this time period, but there are a couple of family questions. One branch, Lloyd trace back to Birmingham, but it is believed they may have come from Wales, I wonder if a DNA test could prove this. Another branch, Bennett, trace back to the Fens in 17th century and family myth has it were descended from Huguenot's from Alsace and french name Benet, so again wondering if DNA test can prove this as well ?

I might take the plunge at the WDYTYA show this year, usually offer good prices there, if I can be convinced of the value of a test.

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Devon / Re: James Moore b: circa 1835 Devonport
« on: Monday 23 November 15 14:39 GMT (UK)  »
hi revereidlehands,

I did make more progress with this. The information posted by Devon Maid on 7th June showing Elizabeth Collings and James Moore senior married on 27th Sept 1821 in Maker just over the county boundary in Maker, Cornwall is correct. I found a transcription on FindMyPast which confirmed this, I have not seen the actual image, but it all seems right to me.

I dont think Elizabeth came from Kingsbridge, I know it says that on the 1851 census, but suspect that may be incorrect. 1861 census has her birth place as Devonport and 1871 census has Stoke Damerel. On FindMyPast I did find a probable baptism record for Elizabeth dated 24 June 1791, parents Joseph and Christian Collings, location, Plymouth, Charles the Martyr Anglican church. 

I also purchased the naval service record of James Moore junior (Edwin's brother) from The National Archives which confirmed his date of birth as 29 Sept 1835 and shows the ships he served on up to 1873.  I can send you the file privately if you wish.

I did not manage to find a baptism record for James which was what I originally was looking for when I posted, but thanks to extra research and the help of others here, I made good further progress and was happy with the info I found.

About a year ago, I went to TNA Kew and found the Greenwich Hospital School admission papers for several of my own naval ancestors which really helped me with my paternal line.

Best Wishes, Phil.


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The Common Room / Re: 1939 Register up and running
« on: Monday 02 November 15 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
I have lined up 5 families, preparing to use my 25% discount, which I have not yet activated.  Three of the families cover my five great-grandparents still alive in 1939. The other two are my grandparents including my parents and siblings.  For these two records, households of 5 and 6 people each have 4 closed entries (more than I expected). 

How do I get these opened for the people I expect there (eg deceased parents and siblings less than 100) ? can I supply death entry index to FindMyPast ? or do I have to buy the death certs at £9.25 a time ? where are the instructructions from FindMyPast on this ?  where closed entries exceed what I expected, presumably I have no chance of ever finding out who these folks are until they are over 100 years old, whether living or deceased ?

Help !  all seems a bit of a difficult process for the folk under 100 when we are not quite sure who they are.

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Westmorland Lookup Requests / John Kendall of Crosby Ravensworth b circa 1791
« on: Friday 12 June 15 09:20 BST (UK)  »
Hoping that someone can help me complete the key events for John Kendall.

I started with his marriage to Diana Jepson 10 Nov 1818 in Crosby Ravensworth

I think his baptism might be 4 Sept 1791 in Crosby Ravensworth, but I am not certain on this one.

I cannot find his death or burial, however his wife Diana married again on 17 Aug 1835 in CR to a Jonathan Shepherd, leading me to think John Kendall had died before this time.

In terms of children for John and Diana, I can only find John Kendall bap: 20 May 1820 in CR.

So in summary, I am trying to verify John Kendall's baptism and parents, find out if John and Diana had any other children apart from John, and find out when he died.

Appreciate any help from a Westmorland expert.

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Devon / Re: James Moore b: circa 1835 Devonport
« on: Sunday 07 June 15 20:23 BST (UK)  »
Devon Maid,

fantastic, thank you so much,  :) :) :)I am sure it must be the right one. I spent ages looking at an A3 size print of all the parishes in Devon, particularly around Plymouth and I never thought to look over the County boundary ! Elizabeth started having children from July 1822 including daughter Elizabeth in 1830 who was given the middle name of Collings, mother's maiden name.

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Devon / Re: James Moore b: circa 1835 Devonport
« on: Sunday 07 June 15 09:21 BST (UK)  »
Dragonlady,

thank you for offering that possibility in Tiverton, however I will rule it out. I know that his father was James Moore almost certainly married to an Elizabeth with siblings as I mentioned in my original post. Very probable naval records at TNA suggest a birth date of 29th Sept 1835 in Devonport.

The two records I really want to track down are 1) James Moore's baptism after Sept 1835 2) the marriage of his parents James Moore to Elizabeth, probably before 1826.

Phil.

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Devon / Re: James Moore b: circa 1835 Devonport
« on: Saturday 06 June 15 15:43 BST (UK)  »
ciderdrinker, many thanks for the information provided.

The TNA naval records for James look very likely to be him, I may order them. I think the TNA record for James Moore born in 1819 is probably someone else, as the birth date makes him too young, especially if Elizabeth Collings Moore and the two older brothers are siblings of James.

Thank you also for finding later census records for Elizabeth Collings Moore and her mother. It looks like her mother dies in Dec quarter of 1871 aged 80. Elizabeth Collings Moore marries William Manicom in 1880 aged 50 and dies in Mar quarter of 1903 aged 73.

I could do with finding James junior in 1851 and of course his baptism record.
If his parents are James and Elizabeth, I also need to find their marriage.

I am grateful for the help you have provided so quickly, thank you.   

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