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Maggie 1895 I know this is an old post but your G Wilson and Mary Ann Leitch were my g g grandparents . His daughter Janet married A Haddow which is my line . George and Mary are in Torryburn churchyard
Wow!  I’ve hardly been on here for a long time but wanted to get back to it as soon as I had time, it’s a brilliant site.  This evening an email alert on this post just came up and now here’s a new cousin... but it’s far too late in the evening to work out how many times removed.   Thank goodness that Scots just say ‘cousins’ and leave it at that!
I’m the gr.granddaughter of James, Margaret’s surviving son, so George’s nephew.  I’d send you a personal message but I seem to remember you need to post 3 times on the board before your ability to use PMs opens.  Reply to this twice!

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Saturday 06 January 18 12:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again,   I was still off the board for a long time - builders followed the final house move, need I say more? - but did work away in the background building my mother's tree via her grandmother, Mary Ann Spicer, using all the information on this thread so generously given by all of you, and in particular Priscilla and easterHammer.  This Christmas I gave copies to my sons and grandchildren with various reactions.
From two of the grandsons, "never mind all the boring bits, look at the names at the end!  They're royal!"   From one of my sons "Mum, we are all descended from someone aren't we?"   Well, yes, but it's quite nice to know who they were, isn't it?
All this bears out what I've always believed, that most of us don't really have any interest in where we come from until the last person we can ask has gone - hence force feeding my family their own copies of family history and asking that they just shove them in a cupboard somewhere because, who knows, one day they may even wish to look at them - and I probably won't be there to ask.
So to all of you on this thread, thank you again
I hope you all have a very happy, healthy and successful 2018 and look forward to getting back on the board a lot more and getting involved again in this really great community.  I don't know anywhere else where help and advice arrives so generously from strangers (and sometimes unknown relatives) around the world.
Maggie x

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Monday 11 September 17 19:04 BST (UK)  »
My great great grandfather was also the same Boys Spicer b 1819, d 1874, I visited Church in Marden & an old man told me old graves were moved some time ago because they wanted easy maintenance. A brother of some people doing some rose care in front of the Church told us some history, I beleive it was from him I leant that a Boys Spicer drowned.  There was a son of this Boys Spicer who was also called Boys, born 1847 so it was this one who drowned They lived & farmed at Chainhurst Farm Marden or Staplehurst. I'm descended from Julia Spicer - daughter of Boys senior.

Amandasqu, So sorry I haven't been on the board for a while and didn't see your post.   Definitely we are cousins, though I'm never sure of how many times removed...
My great grandmother was Mary Ann Spicer, daughter of Boys Spicer (the one who drowned) and Frances Highwood.   I'm very fond of Mary Ann, not only because her photos show a friendly smile and my own mother had lovely memories of her grandmother, but also because I have her tea set, apparently used every Sunday throughout her married life without any breakages.    I wish I could hand it on in the same state, but not confident on that!    Also because it is Mary Ann and her line that lead me to my one and only gateway ancestors (all as detailed earlier in this thread)
According to what I've found building my tree, Mary Ann was the fifth child born in 1851, then came Elizabeth, and then your great grandmother Julia was the seventh born in 1858?   Does that tie in with your information?

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Sunday 10 July 16 08:01 BST (UK)  »
All I seem to do at present is grab a few moments to come onto the board occasionally (now selling and buying homes under different legal systems, packing up, downsizing and moving house) - and when I get on here I have little to say except 'thank you', but all the information and help is so appreciated.  Once I've actually moved I am so looking forward to getting to grips with it all.

Priscilla and easternHammer, thank you both again for so much information, and your kind words

Phil, I've read your message and emailed you - thank you again.

Mowsehowse - thank you.  Have to admit that when the earlier posts by Priscilla and easterHammer told me that there was a link to John of Gaunt it gave me a shock, as Anya Seton's Katherine is a book I first read when about 12 or 13 and he's been a bit of a hero for me ever since.   Throw in the 'this scepter'd isle...' speech and the thought there might be a legitimate line all the way back to him was a stunner.

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Friday 20 May 16 20:03 BST (UK)  »
I really can't thank you both, and everyone else on this thread, enough.  For the two of you, Priscilla and easterHammer, not just for the information, but also for your kind messages.  I've been off the board for some time, I retired earlier than originally planned, my husband cut down his work abroad, we moved house south to be nearer family and then, 7 weeks ago, my husband died suddenly and very unexpectedly.  I'm now planning to downsize and move again, probably within the next couple of months.
Life happens.  We all know that.   I have a lot of things I need to do, but not much that I want to do or am particularly looking forward to doing, so working through all the information this thread has given me is going to be my treat to myself whenever I can.
I'm still a bit shocked by the connection to the Plantagenet roll - I've always been happy to come from a long line of nobody in particular (though special to me) with absolutely no gateway ancestor within miles.    This is my mother's side of the family, and my father's is pure Scot with family traditions taking us back to one of the many 'wrong side of the blanket' children of The Bruce.    If Edward II really comes into it the idea that the family might have been on both sides at Bannockburn is a bit disconcerting, to say the least...
On the other hand, John of Gaunt and Richard III have always been quite heroic to me, and I read everything I can get my hands on about the Plantagenets and have always the ramifications of Edward III's children and the steps towards the Cousins' Wars fascinating, so it's really exciting.   
Looking at my own tree as far as I had got, the difference to all your information is first and very minor, the name, which I have variously as Simons or Simmons.   I had got the Spicers, and Mary Barton, and gone back to Hester Chilman and her marriage to Boys Simmons,.  There the difference comes in.   I had Hester's father as Stephen Chilman, b 1680 but no note of her mother.
Boys' parents (this is her husband Boys, who I had as b 1723 in Southwark) I have down as the son of William Simmons and 'Elizabeth'.   Elizabeth was work in progress, with possible candidates noted as Ellizabeth Boys or Elizabeth Hughes.    I can't remember at this distance why I had those two surnames for candidates, but going back to that brick wall (it was a brick well for me if not for you) and looking at it in the light of all the information you two have provided is going to give me many interesting hours when I've had enough of downsizing my possessions.   
I'm really interested to see so many mentions of the name Philadelphia.    In the family tree/story book I made for my children a few Christmases ago, I mentioned that my favourite names in the ancestors I had found were Titus Spicer and Philadelphia Simmons or Simons.    That Philadelphis had died age 15, and as far as I remember was buried in St Michael's in Marden.
So much for that line centres around Marden.    My gr.grandfather (different line of my mother's) originally watchmaker/jeweller was the first PostMaster there, and his daughter, my much loved Great Aunt, carried on the post office until she retired at the end of the war.   Seems there was so much more history for us there than ever of us ever realised...
Thank you both again.

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Friday 29 April 16 19:21 BST (UK)  »
I am absolutely stunned.   I posted my original query several years ago, and (as always on Rootschat) had some great help and advice.   For all sorts of reasons including a fairly recent bereavement I've been off line for quite a while. 
Recently I had notifications in my inbox that there were new replies.      I can't believe what I've been reading, particularly from Priscilla (and that doesn't mean I dispute what you've written, just that it's so hard to comprehend the amount of information being given on what I thought was a brick wall.) 
It's going to take me a while to get my head round all this new information, particularly the fact that the line appears to be traceable so far back.
Oddly enough, my mother, who was very fond of her own grandmother, Boys Spicer's daughter Mary Ann, always maintained she'd been told we were descended somehow from the Percys (Harry Hotspur and that ilk).   
It seems I owe my mother and my grandmother apologies, but also I owe a massive thank you to Priscilla, to whom I must be related in some way or other, and to EasternHammer for all this new information.
At the moment I'm still wading through all the process and the paperwork that sadly follows someone's death, but as soon as I get time I'm going to be going through all this in detail.
Thank you everyone. x
   

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Any old maps or pictures from Johnstonebridge?
« on: Sunday 08 November 15 01:49 GMT (UK)  »
Boston 14,
So glad you found what you wanted, and sorry I didn't help.  I got sidetracked - understatement - by moving house and am only just getting back up to speed on FH.
Maggie

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help appreciated with 1873 occupation
« on: Saturday 07 February 15 14:39 GMT (UK)  »
Good thinking Ruskie, I'm plodding backwards, as you do, and sometimes get so you can't see the wood for the trees.   I don't mean the handwriting, it's just that I'm trying to decipher the wretched thing and never though that if I go to the next step back, the 1871 census, it will probably answer the question.

Thanks everyone I'll take and look and let you know...

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help appreciated with 1873 occupation
« on: Saturday 07 February 15 14:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks both, I totally agree on Merchant, in that now you've said it it's blindingly obvious!

The first word is confusing me as well though - larger extract as requested

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