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Hi Nick.
If you look down the chain of messages you'll see just about all the information I have got. Joseph Frederick Joel Ellis, of The Grange, Ellistown was my grandmother's grandfather on my father's side. One of his children, Eve, married an Austrian and lived in Vienna. Their daughter was my grandmother. My late godmother, Peggy Jacobson, also a second cousin, was the grandchild of another of the Joel Ellis children.
The mine remained in the family (my grandmother was NOT part of this inheritance) until the mining industry was nationalised.
I have never heard of Charles Edward, and he never figured in any of my godmother's lists and tales of Ellistown and her uncles.
She did mention Ellis and Everard as the company the family was involved with - they were not in coal by that time but in pottery items such as pipes for drainage and so forth.
I would be interested in learning more about the mine and the pottery; I still have no idea why Joseph Frederick Joel decided upon on the name ELLIS as an addition to his original surname, changing it legally by deed poll in 1863.
My suspicion is the the Ellis family had somehow helped him in his ambitions, and that the addition of the name Ellis made the family sound less Jewish.
I'm also trying to verify the link between Joseph Frederick Joel Ellis, Lewis Joel (I suspect a much younger brother) and Sarah Joel who died in New York.
Is any of this helpful?
Regards
Diana

Many thanks for this.

I can tell you that  Eve (Evelyn)  Gertrude eloped with an Austrian cavalry officer, was cut off by her father, became Eve Brandeis-Weikersheim and subsequently lived in Vienna until forced to return to England in 1938 to escape the Nazis.  She had one surviving child, a daughter, but did I believe separate  quite early from her husband Hermann as she rather liked the high society life  of the Viennese upper middle classes, and he was a renowned bore!

Isidore lived at The Grange in Ellistown,  Walter became a solicitor and Albert a barrister.   

Joseph Joel-Ellis  started his career in London as a jeweller at 49 The Strand, and subsequently had three decently prestigious London addresses at various times, once he had got into the mining industry: can't find right now the first one, in South Kensington, but the second was The Grange near what is now South Kensington station, (he probably got it cheap because the plans for the underground must have been underway and it was demolished)  and the third was 51 Portland Place and is now the Chinese Embassy.  He was then listed as Col Joseph Joel Ellis, Consul General for Persia, so he didn't do too badly!

I have been trying to work out the relationships of the previous generation and where the family had originally come from. I have traced Joseph Frederick Joel-Ellis (or The Colonel as he was known) and his parents back via Ireland and Bristol to Krotoschin (now Posen) in Bohemia. His parents were called Pessa and Isaiah Joel.

The name of Joel-Ellis was formed by deed poll  in 1863. He died in London in 1885 and there is an obituary in The Jewish Chronicle and The Lady (!). My interest is in the lateral connections that must be Lewis Joel and Sarah Joel - very likely a brother and sister.  I also want to find out where the ELLIS name came from i.e. was it taken on as a compliment to a family who had helped him into the coal business or something. There was certainly a connection with Ellis and Everard the manufacturers of sanitation/drainage pottery, bricks and pipeware, nationalised in the 1960s.

The Colonel's wife was called Marguerite nee Nathan and brought a Latin American connection, hence Walter's second name. She may have been born in Brazil or Peru.

Of course one of the things that makes it interesting and a little harder to research is that the family was Jewish. That's possibly another reason for taking on an extra English sounding surname, particularly as he did end up with honorary diplomatic positions.

Hope you find this of use.

What is your interest in this family? I can write up the  things I have  more clearly if you are interested and can add some more detail.

A few weeks ago I  logged in on rootschat to a series of messages about one Marguerite Joel Ellis with a researcher called Danone who had received several responses from amongst others, Kintree. I was able to add quite a lot to this, but have had no followup response, perhaps because all the lead up chat was already several months old. So I would like to touch base with anyone who has further to add.  I am in particular interested to know if there is any known connection between her husband Col Joseph Frederick Joel-Ellis of Ellistown in Leicestershire and one Lewis Joel born in Dubin in 1824, who much later was H.M. Consul General to Savannah in Georgia.
If anyone has further information on the Ellistown colliery, the Ellis and Everard works and family or the Joel-Ellis family I'd be pleased to hear from them.
Thanks
KiwiDi