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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Virginia Snider (Chanter/Chanteri)
« on: Monday 25 March 24 18:45 GMT (UK) »
And on both baptismal records, the Patrinus (sponsor, or godfather) seems to have been the father Enrico using a different name!
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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Virginia Snider (Chanter/Chanteri)
« on: Monday 25 March 24 18:36 GMT (UK) »
It's odd, isn't it. Many of the records and details are conflicting. I don't know if it's relevant, but Ortica is a district of Milan, and on the 1891 Census Teresa claimed to have been born in Milan. Their names and places of birth change constantly as they go on!
Nick
Nick
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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Virginia Snider (Chanter/Chanteri)
« on: Monday 25 March 24 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jen B
Thanks. Her family were Roman Catholic and the register of Parish Baptisms at Our Lady Help of Christians & St Aloysius has her birth on 10 Jul 1892 and her baptism on 21 Sep 1892, with her surname as Chanter, her mother Teresa's surname. Elham was the registration district for Folkestone. At varying times family members claimed to be born in Varese, Milan and Naples, but mostly in Folkestone. They travelled frequently to Italy and it is possible she was born there; there's more than two months between birth date and baptism.
Virginia's parents Teresa and Enrico Mentasti did not marry until 1906, probably because he was still married to Teresa's sister. Perhaps, if unmarried in England, Teresa was obliged to keep her surname, and appending the 'i' that would make her and her daughters' surnames 'Chanteri' may have been appropriate in implying marriage to an Italian, because Italian women keep their surname on marriage.
Nick
Thanks. Her family were Roman Catholic and the register of Parish Baptisms at Our Lady Help of Christians & St Aloysius has her birth on 10 Jul 1892 and her baptism on 21 Sep 1892, with her surname as Chanter, her mother Teresa's surname. Elham was the registration district for Folkestone. At varying times family members claimed to be born in Varese, Milan and Naples, but mostly in Folkestone. They travelled frequently to Italy and it is possible she was born there; there's more than two months between birth date and baptism.
Virginia's parents Teresa and Enrico Mentasti did not marry until 1906, probably because he was still married to Teresa's sister. Perhaps, if unmarried in England, Teresa was obliged to keep her surname, and appending the 'i' that would make her and her daughters' surnames 'Chanteri' may have been appropriate in implying marriage to an Italian, because Italian women keep their surname on marriage.
Nick
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The Common Room / Re: Looking for Virginia Snider (Chanter/Chanteri)
« on: Monday 25 March 24 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ciderdrinker
that's the only info. of her death that I've found and there's no source to back it up. She had three sisters: Olivia emigrated, Giuseppina died in 1927 and Bea was by then financially very well-off and perhaps reliable as an executor. Teresa had previously placed notices in local newspapers to the effect that she wouldn't be liable for Virginia's debts.
Nick
that's the only info. of her death that I've found and there's no source to back it up. She had three sisters: Olivia emigrated, Giuseppina died in 1927 and Bea was by then financially very well-off and perhaps reliable as an executor. Teresa had previously placed notices in local newspapers to the effect that she wouldn't be liable for Virginia's debts.
Nick
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The Common Room / Looking for Virginia Snider (Chanter/Chanteri)
« on: Monday 25 March 24 11:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm looking for any information about Virginia Snider after 1927. I've shortened a long, and sometimes sad, story:
Virginia was baptised on 21 Sept 1892 as Virginia Augustina Mantasti Chanter, but known as Virginia Chanteri. She lived and was probably born in Folkestone, but possibly Italy. She married Egerton Cairns Snider from Ontario, Canada who had enlisted in May 1915 and travelled with his regiment to England. They married on October 14th 1915 in Folkestone and his regiment disembarked in Boulogne on November 1st 1915.
Egerton served in France, then England, and was invalided in July 1920. He and Virginia then sailed to Quebec, although their 18 months-old son John Francis Snider stayed in England. Virginia returned to England in March 1921, about two months pregnant, but Egerton remained with his family in Port Hope, Canada, and they were divorced in 1923. In 1926 their young sons John and Philip sailed alone to Canada to be met by their Grandfather, Eber Snider. On arrival they named a cousin as their closest relative in England, rather than their mother.
In 1927 Virginia was charged at Folkestone Police Court with fraud. It was said in court that her mother Teresa Chanteri had sold her business in December 1925 and left her, and over the following 14 months Virginia had taken rooms and board on several occasions under the names Mrs Cairns or Mrs Egerton, and left without paying. With no means other than a small Canadian Army pension, Virginia had also borrowed money to live on and not repaid. She stated that her husband was in Canada and had asked her to divorce him, but that she 'had nothing to divorce him upon'. She also said that her two children had been sent to Canada and that arrangements were being made for her to go out to her husband's father there, that she was expecting money from her father-in-law, and that he was going to see to her sons' education. The Magistrate sentenced her to two months in prison.
Her sons John and Phillip stayed in Port Hope until 1933, when they went to New Jersey, USA to live with their father Egerton. They stated their closest relative in Canada was their Grandfather Eber, i.e. not their mother Virginia.
I would very much like to find out what happened to Virginia after her Court appearance and prison in 1927. It seemed she used several names, and may have been in England, Canada or elsewhere. I have found no records or passenger lists, only an unverified suggestion that she died in 1948 at Port Hope, Ontario.
Thanks for any help!
Nick
Virginia was baptised on 21 Sept 1892 as Virginia Augustina Mantasti Chanter, but known as Virginia Chanteri. She lived and was probably born in Folkestone, but possibly Italy. She married Egerton Cairns Snider from Ontario, Canada who had enlisted in May 1915 and travelled with his regiment to England. They married on October 14th 1915 in Folkestone and his regiment disembarked in Boulogne on November 1st 1915.
Egerton served in France, then England, and was invalided in July 1920. He and Virginia then sailed to Quebec, although their 18 months-old son John Francis Snider stayed in England. Virginia returned to England in March 1921, about two months pregnant, but Egerton remained with his family in Port Hope, Canada, and they were divorced in 1923. In 1926 their young sons John and Philip sailed alone to Canada to be met by their Grandfather, Eber Snider. On arrival they named a cousin as their closest relative in England, rather than their mother.
In 1927 Virginia was charged at Folkestone Police Court with fraud. It was said in court that her mother Teresa Chanteri had sold her business in December 1925 and left her, and over the following 14 months Virginia had taken rooms and board on several occasions under the names Mrs Cairns or Mrs Egerton, and left without paying. With no means other than a small Canadian Army pension, Virginia had also borrowed money to live on and not repaid. She stated that her husband was in Canada and had asked her to divorce him, but that she 'had nothing to divorce him upon'. She also said that her two children had been sent to Canada and that arrangements were being made for her to go out to her husband's father there, that she was expecting money from her father-in-law, and that he was going to see to her sons' education. The Magistrate sentenced her to two months in prison.
Her sons John and Phillip stayed in Port Hope until 1933, when they went to New Jersey, USA to live with their father Egerton. They stated their closest relative in Canada was their Grandfather Eber, i.e. not their mother Virginia.
I would very much like to find out what happened to Virginia after her Court appearance and prison in 1927. It seemed she used several names, and may have been in England, Canada or elsewhere. I have found no records or passenger lists, only an unverified suggestion that she died in 1948 at Port Hope, Ontario.
Thanks for any help!
Nick
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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Baby included in a ships's passenger list?
« on: Tuesday 21 February 23 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this. The mother returned after six months, possibly because she was pregnant again. She and her husband were divorced shortly after, although she later returned to Canada, as did her two sons, many years later. I have the details of both families, but was puzzled that they may not have taken the baby.
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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Baby included in a ships's passenger list?
« on: Tuesday 21 February 23 14:33 GMT (UK) »
I have a relative who traveled from England with her husband and 18 month-old son to Montreal, Canada in 1920. Her son does not appear on the passenger list; do you think a baby should have been included? She was probably visiting her in-laws for the first time, so it seems likely they would have been keen to meet their grandson. Of course she could left him with her mother and family, but seems unlikely to me? It wasn't a very long visit; she returned six months later.
Thanks, Nick
Thanks, Nick
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Herefordshire / Re: Looking for any lost ancestor's family name Pinch
« on: Tuesday 24 August 21 21:16 BST (UK) »From Pigot's Directory of Shopshire 1835
Wellington, Shopshire
MILLINERS & DRESS MAKERS
Pinches Hester, Walker Street
CHURCH STRETTON AND NEIGHBOURHOOD.
CARPENTERS, JOINERS AND WHEELWRIGHTS
Pinches John, All Stretton
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And Pigot's Directory of Worcestershire 1835
Kidderminster & c.
ACADEMIES AND SCHOOLS.
Pinches Eliza and Harriet (boarding and day) Spring bank
I think you can find these directories online fairly easily, if not, send me a PM if you like
Hope this helps,
regards
Nick
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London & Middlesex Lookup Offers / London: Atlas 1929 & various old OS maps
« on: Saturday 03 October 20 14:30 BST (UK) »
I have
Bartholemews Pocket Atlas & Guide to London, pub. 1929
Godfrey Editions - Old Ordnance Survey Maps of:
Stratford 1893
Bermondsey & Wapping 1894
Bermondsey & Wapping 1914
Whitechapel, Spitalfields & The Bank 1913
Ilford 1894
Stepney & Limehouse 1914
Hackney 1913
I'm happy to do look-ups, please start a new topic on the look-up request board or send me a PM,
Nick
Bartholemews Pocket Atlas & Guide to London, pub. 1929
Godfrey Editions - Old Ordnance Survey Maps of:
Stratford 1893
Bermondsey & Wapping 1894
Bermondsey & Wapping 1914
Whitechapel, Spitalfields & The Bank 1913
Ilford 1894
Stepney & Limehouse 1914
Hackney 1913
I'm happy to do look-ups, please start a new topic on the look-up request board or send me a PM,
Nick