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London and Middlesex / Re: Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane
« on: Thursday 20 June 24 04:08 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, that is fabulous and gives me another generation to look at.

I found just now a London Gazette entry from 1893 giving a list of creditors from some partnership that included Elizabeth Guy as administratrix of William Barringer Smith's estate that had been in Chancery since 1841!!!

London and Middlesex / Re: Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane
« on: Thursday 20 June 24 00:23 BST (UK)  »
Yesterday i looked at the only other possible London marriage being that of Thomas Guy widower to Elizabeth Smith at St Stephen Coleman Street 3 May 1825.  I had previously discounted this due to the proximity of the birth of their first child Eliza Ann at 24 Jun 1825 just 52 days later.

By chance I found a baptism for Elizabeth Smith in Shoreditch 11 Dec 1790 to William Russell & Ann Smith and she had an older brother William Barringer Smith having a dissenters registration of 22 Jan 1781.  I then located the marriage of William Russell Smith to Ann Barringer at St Mary Whitechapel 7 May 1780.  (The middle name Russell descends several generations into the early 1900's)

William Russell Smith died in 1819 leaving a will which provided for his wife Ann during her lifetime and the two children thereafter detailing a property in Crooked Lane and his son to maintain the business of wire worker.

I think Ann Smith dies in 1826 in Crooked Lane and then William Barringer Smith dies in 1832 also in Crooked Lane.  I haven't located a will for either of these yet but you would assume their eventual heir would be the sister Elizabeth and her husband Thomas Guy as I can't find a marriage nor children for William Barringer Smith.

I still don't have a death for Thomas or Elizabeth nor Thomas' first marriage and birth but at least I have a bit more information.

So the family with Elizabeth Guy from Hamilton Scotland as the head would now seem to be eliminated.

London and Middlesex / Re: Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane
« on: Tuesday 18 June 24 00:56 BST (UK)  »
I think Lizzie's response holds some merit in eliminating the Thomas Guy from Wiltshire who married Elizabeth Low at St James Piccadilly in 1813.

In the 1841 census there is another person at that address in St Mary Newington named Mary Allard which you can only pick up from looking at the original form.  There is a marriage of the widower Thomas Guy to Susannah Allard 10 Nov 1828 at St Pancras.  There is also a burial of Elizabeth Guy 2 Jun 1823 at St James Piccadilly aged 30.

The other census information with Elizabeth and children Richard, George & Elizabeth I have but cannot locate births of these to verify any connection to the father's occupation as builder or wire worker, nor locate them in Crooked Lane or Ascot Heath.

London and Middlesex / Re: Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane
« on: Monday 17 June 24 00:38 BST (UK)  »
I have found Isabella Caroline Guy.  She was baptised 3 Nov 1785 in Compton Bassett Wiltshire, the third child of Jacob Guy & Mary White.  The family moved over to Clyffe Pypard and had seven more children of which Thomas Guy was baptised 12 Feb 1792.

This makes Thomas 21 years old when he married Elizabeth Low in 1813.

However, I still cannot connect this Thomas Guy to Crooked Lane or Ascot Heath.

And Barringer is still elusive.

London and Middlesex / Re: Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane
« on: Monday 27 May 24 07:34 BST (UK)  »
I haven't been able to find where Barringer comes from as I can't get back any further.  It could be a wife's or a grandparent's name or just an important person's names they wanted to use.

I have not been able to see how Isabella Caroline Guy fits in as a mother/sister/cousin/aunt?

I am well aware of the divorce (the wife slept with the lodger) and don't need anything else coming forward.

London and Middlesex / Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane
« on: Monday 20 May 24 05:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi All,

I am looking for some help with Thomas Guy of Crooked Lane London and Ascot Heath/Sunninghill Berkshire for whom I offer the following information:

Eliza Ann Guy born 24 Jun baptized 18 Aug 1825 at St Mary Abchurch to Thomas & Elizabeth Guy of Crooked Lane, a builder.

Thomas Barringer Guy born 8 May baptized 29 July 1827 at St Michael Crooked Lane to Thomas & Elizabeth Guy of Ascot Heath, a builder.

Alfred & Frederick Guy (twins) baptized 14 September 1829 at Sunninghill Berkshire to Thomas & Elizabeth Guy, a builder.  Alfred is buried 25 February 1833 and Frederick is buried 15 March 1833, both at St Michael Crooked Lane, both living in Crooked Lane.

Thomas Guy is on the London Electoral Register in 1834 residing in Crooked Lane.  He is then on the Berkshire Electoral Register in 1841, 1842 & 1843 owning a cottage on Ascot Heath while residing at 6 Crooked Lane London.

I could not find a Guy on the 1841 Census at either Ascot Heath or Crooked Lane.  I think I have the mother Elizabeth 50yo servant born in county and son Thomas 14yo clerk not born in county living in Upper Albany Street Marylebone.

Land Tax was assessed on a building in Crooked Lane occupied by some-one surnamed Guy from 1832 to 1885.  The entries from 1832 to 1852 are noted as “Thomas Guy” or “late Guy”, thereafter just as “Guy”.  The lower or crooked end of Crooked Lane was demolished in the mid-1830’s for the access road to the New London Bridge; the upper end disappeared in the mid-1880’s for similar reasons.

Eliza Guy marries Thomas Foulis 30 Dec 1855 at St Luke Old Street giving her father as Thomas Guy wire worker and witnessed by Thos B Guy her brother.

Thomas Barringer Guy marries Emma Chapman 29 May 1850 at St George Camberwell giving his father as Thomas Guy wire worker.

I cannot locate a birth, marriage, or death for Thomas Guy or his wife Elizabeth.

Some online trees suggest the marriage of Thomas Guy to Elizabeth Low dated 21 January 1813 at St Marylebone to be him along with additional children Louisa born 1814, Richard born 1816, George born 1817 and Elizabeth born 1823.  I am not convinced this is the correct family.

Any thoughts or other information would be helpful and appreciated.

Cheers, Colin

Berkshire / Re: Walter Jennings Farey/Fairey/Fairy died 1856 Radley
« on: Monday 25 March 24 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
Well that is terribly unlucky.

Thank you for finding those articles.

I have made enquiry at Radley College to see if they have any records going back that far.

Berkshire / Re: Walter Jennings Farey/Fairey/Fairy died 1856 Radley
« on: Monday 25 March 24 05:21 GMT (UK)  »
One more thought I had, I wonder if there are newspaper reports of some kind of accident.

Berkshire / Re: Walter Jennings Farey/Fairey/Fairy died 1856 Radley
« on: Sunday 24 March 24 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies for the delay in responding, Sunday afternoon nap time turned into weekly family dinner and I lost track of time.

Thank you Alan & Kay for the burial transcriptions, I think it adds greatly to be being the correct person.

I will now look at the GRO on how to get the missing reference located.

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