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I am 95% sure that Elin Lloyd shown on the 1861 census is the Elinor Roberts on the 1841 census.

On the 1841 census Gaynor Lloyd is living at Rhyd-y-sarn with daughter Elinor Roberts, her husband/partner(?) Robert Roberts and grandson Richard Roberts. Near neighbour (2 doors away) is Edward Griffiths (Tanner) and wife Gwen.

On the 1851 census Gaynor Lloyd (Isaac) is still at Rhyd-y- sarn, still has neighbour Edward Griffiths (Tanner) and wife Gwen 2 doors away. Now has Robert Roberts (1842) (grandson) living with her.

All the other information does appear to link with this. Why revert to name Lloyd?, I wonder if Ellin and Robert did marry? Revised: have marriage certificate, they did marry, but has Cas has stated Robert Roberts father is named has Robert Lloyd, so can see why to revert!

Hugh Lloyd did not name a father on his marriage certificate. The tree is not mine I shall ask my friend if he wants to send for marriage certificates for the other 2 boys.

Thanks all for your help, rootschats finest!!!

Ray

That looks really interesting Cas, just off out for the evening but that is something that I will take a look at over the weekend.

Thanks

Ray

I have the Lloyd family, mother Elin and 3 sons on the 1861 census (from An..ty) and have the boys on later census, but just can't find the 1841 or 1851 census information, would welcome a rootschat look:

1861 census:

Detail Source
Name   Elin Lloyd
Age   47
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1814
Relation   Head
Gender   Female
Where born   Maentwrog, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township   Ffestiniog
County/Island   Merionethshire
Country   Wales
Registration district   Festiniog
Sub-registration district   Festiniog
ED, institution, or vessel   4
Household schedule number   217

Piece   4324 Folio   75 Page number   35

Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Elin Lloyd                                   47   Head
Richard Lloyd                             21    Son
Robert R Lloyd                           19    Son
Hugh Lloyd                                14    Son
Richard Williams                         21   Lodger

Ray

Thanks Cas, following your links, by 1891 census family reverted back to Valless, with Roberts death in 1908.

It looks like the whole family changed the name for some reason, not just line I am following. It also looks like the name taken is the mother of the family Ann Payne.

I have found the marriage of Ann Payne to James Valless in Titchfield, Southampton, England, 30 April 1820.

I have searched Welshnewspapers online for any "unusual activity" but with he number of variations of the name have had no luck.

Ray