Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - kay123

Pages: [1]
1
The Common Room / Re: Opionions sought on NRY & Durham family - (long complicated post)
« on: Tuesday 04 August 09 11:39 BST (UK)  »
Matthew's will was written on 8/5/1759 - he was buried in Wolsingham on 9/6/1761 (parish records). He leaves Causey House & Garth in Wolsingham (which I don't know about - had assumed he lived in Whitfield House on Wolsingham's main street) to his grandaughter Elizabeth Robinson (no mention of any of the other Robinson children). The rest appears to be divided between Elizabeth and Mary, Robert's 2 children. Nothing is left to any of his children, though there are only 3 I haven't found deaths for (my Katherine, your Matthew and Ann). Most of the others died in childhood, so wouldn't have had any children.
So not sure it really helps - certainly no mention of Matthew or grandchildren on that side.
Will transcribe them fully and can also scan them in if you would like a copy?
Wondering whether it might be worth seeing if ELizabeth Whitfield (Eden - Matthew's wife) left a will - she died in 1750.
Did ask whether they had a will for SIr RObert Eden, ELizabeth's father, but they didn't have one. Am sure there must be one somewhere but not sure where to look now.

Sorry it's not got us any further with your Ralph/Matthew.

K

2
The Common Room / Re: Opionions sought on NRY & Durham family - (long complicated post)
« on: Tuesday 04 August 09 11:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ruskie

Wills arrived this morning but have only had a quick glance so far (and am going away at the end of this week, so annoyingly can't spend as much time as I would like looking at them as have other things that need to be done!)

Those are the children I also have for Joseph and Katherine - I'm descended from Utrick Robinson (and Utrick remained a family name - my great uncle is  Henry Utric Johnson who incidentally is still alive at the age of 106 but never knew why he was called Utric!). Nice to have agreement over the children given some of the wrong information out there.

Also agree with you about Osytha Wright. Elizabeth and Mary are the 2 daughters of Robert and Osytha - no other children (or at least if they are they died in infancy). Robert's will is dated the 8th Oct 1746 and proved 12th Feb 1746 (this would have been when Jan - March was part of the previous year iykwim). I have in my notes a possible date of death as 11/1/1746 but can't now see where this came from which probably means it was somewhere unsourced on the internet. A brief scan of his will indicates he leaves everything to Ositha.
I can find no reference to Hendry Hopper being Elizabeth and Mary's guardian and puzzlingly in Utrick's will (Matthew's brother) he appoints Joseph Reay as their guardian - not sure why he does this not Matthew???
You have an extra child for Hendry and ELizabeth - I only  ::) have 18! Ositha seems to leave everything to Eliabeth and Mary, who also inherit from Matthew's brother Utrick (£1200 and £800 respectively).
WIll now go and look briefly at Matthew's will in the hope that it clarifies some of this! K

3
Durham Completed Look up Requests / Re: Monumental Inscriptions St Helen Auckland
« on: Monday 03 August 09 16:16 BST (UK)  »
And yet more thanks, Adam.

This one is more puzzling though as was hoping there would be "earlier" Edens. Need to do a bit more research!

Thanks again for your very quick response.

Kay

4
Durham / Re: Monumental Inscriptions, Wolsingham, Cof E and R.C
« on: Monday 03 August 09 15:57 BST (UK)  »
Many many thanks, Adam - Hendry Hopper is definitely "one of mine" and I will see if I can link in James.

K

5
The Common Room / Re: Opionions sought on NRY & Durham family - (long complicated post)
« on: Monday 03 August 09 14:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ruskie

Will certainly let you know what Matthew WHitfield's will reveals - Have also ordered his son Robert's (who died before him), Robert's wife Osytha's and Matthew's brother Utrick's. All of them I found through the NE Inheritance Project (at the Uni of Durham). They are willing to do specific searches of the database they have set up and let you have brief details and then you can request a p/c (at a small cost). Link is http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/. So that might be worth a request re your Ralph (or indeed Matthew his potential father).

I have no children attached to Matthew the younger, other than your queried Ralph - which I got from some of the WHitfield stuff on line but (just as you say) I know there is a lot of wrong information out there. Obviously haven't concentrated on that line because I wanted to confirm my own link through Matthew and Elizabeth's daughter Katherine - who married a Joseph Robinson.

Auckland St Andrew's and St Helen's are linked closely to the Eden family which would explain possibly Matthew marrying Ann Vasey there. Have you checked whether your Ralph though born in Marton, was christened in Auckland (or indeed back in Whitfield)?

I have copies of some of the many WHitfield documents about the lease and then sale of WHitfield Hall which I am ploughing my way through (not easy reading!) but will also let you know whether there is anything mentioned in there. K


6
Durham / Re: Monumental Inscriptions, Wolsingham, Cof E and R.C
« on: Sunday 02 August 09 20:41 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, Adam  :-[ - have now found the right post.

The Hoppers are C of E.

Thanks for your quick response.

Kay

7
The Common Room / Re: Opionions sought on NRY & Durham family - (long complicated post)
« on: Sunday 02 August 09 20:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Am very interested in whether you can form a link. I am definitely descended from Matthew Whitfield and Elizabeth Eden - their daughter Katherine married Joseph Robinson and that is my line. I have for some time been researching what happened within the Whitfield family in the early 1700s as they seem to have built up debts of about £20,000 (a considerable amount of money) which led to the sale of Whitfield Hall.
Matthew and Elizabeth did have a son Matthew (christened in Wolsingham which is where they had moved to - they let out Whitfield Hall at that time - on 1st March 1708). If (and it is a very big "if") your Ralph is the son of this Matthew, it could fit into a picture of him choosing to move away from Wolsingham, as the late 1740s was when the debts were called in.
I have just requested a copy of Matthew's will - maybe that will cast some light.

Kay

8
Durham Completed Look up Requests / Re: Monumental Inscriptions St Helen Auckland
« on: Sunday 02 August 09 19:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi Adam

Am very interested in any MI you have at St Helens for the EDEN family?

Many thanks

Kay

9
Durham / Re: Monumental Inscriptions, Wolsingham, Cof E and R.C
« on: Sunday 02 August 09 18:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi Adam

My very first post so hope I've got this right. Am delighted to see that you have the MIs for Wolsingham.

I'd be very grateful if you could tell me what you have got for WHITFIELD and HOPPER.

Many thanks

Kay

Pages: [1]