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Scotland / Re: Missing 1881 census
« on: Tuesday 09 January 18 22:06 GMT (UK)  »
*** The missing Fife parishes were the result of the sinking of the ferryboat which was taking them from Fife to Edinburgh. All these volumes were lost in the Firth of Forth. Scottish enumeration books NEVER went to London, as the Scottish census was run from Edinburgh.[/quote]
Interesting... Do you know when this sinking took place?

The NRS (National Records of Scotland) tell the story as I had heard it before, about the 1841 and 1851 census enumeration books having been in London, and returned to Scotland after being found in 1910.
** It is true that 1841 and 1851 census enumeration books were found in  London in 1910 and re-sent to Edinburgh, but originally all the enumeration books were required to be sent to Edinburgh from the parishes, as all the administration was done from Edinburgh (had been since 1801). Why these books got to London is a mystery (I suspect some London-inspired administrative foul-up before 1861), but the fact remains that at every census the enumeration books went directly to Edinburgh, which is why the Fife volumes would have gone by boat to Leith, there being no bridge then. There is no documentary evidence of the loss (why would some books lost overboard be newsworthy). The idea of solely some Fife books being lost from a ship, London to Edinburgh in 1910 is ludicrous. Rail would be the only sensible method of movement at that date.


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Scotland / Re: Missing 1881 census
« on: Tuesday 09 January 18 11:56 GMT (UK)  »
You said:
The 1841 lot have a number of explanations, more than SP has given. The enumeration books for Auchinleck and these Fife ones, plus a few more parts of parishes that were split across county boundaries from Fife were lost, presumed not to have completed the journey from London to Edinburgh (lost overboard from a ship is one version alleged, but I have not seen that verified).
*** The missing Fife parishes were the result of the sinking of the ferryboat which was taking them from Fife to Edinburgh. All these volumes were lost in the Firth of Forth. Scottish enumeration books NEVER went to London, as the Scottish census was run from Edinburgh.
Gordon Johnson (author of 'Census Records for Scottish Families', Out of Print)

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Scotland / Re: Missing 1881 census
« on: Tuesday 09 January 18 11:49 GMT (UK)  »
The 1881 LDS transcription was indeed triple checked, but has just as many transcription errors. I checked ONE village name and found it written in about six different ways! The LDS's problem was that many of their transcribers were in the USA and were unfamiliar with Scottish names and places.
Whatever transcribed source you are using, I recommend having Black's "Surnames of Scotland" and a good gazetteer to hand.  Scotlandspeople allows you to read the original image.
Gordon Johnson.

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Technical Help / Re: Genealogical Indices - KinHelp
« on: Sunday 24 March 13 00:04 GMT (UK)  »
Walker in Selkirk:From: Selkirk Protocol Books, 1511-1547 (Stair Society/Walter Mason Trust, 1993)
C.170: 22 July 1532. William Valker of Hawyk, nephew and lawful heir of the deceased John Valker... sasine to John Morlawe of Todschawe...
Border Counties Magazine,vol.1, p.161: Inhabitants in the Burgh of Selkirk, 16 June 1817. includes:
Souther line of the Back Row, etc. -
Thos. Walker's house...3 persons.
Thomas Walker .............14 persons

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Technical Help / Re: Genealogical Indices - KinHelp
« on: Saturday 23 March 13 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, folks. Gordon Johnson here, of KinHelp Scottish Genealogical Services. My website is housed on a relative's server, which has been going downhill for a while. A new server has been bought, and is now installed, with some of the file transfers still ongoing, but the KinHelp website is back up.
I know I have been slow at adding new material, but life has been busy, even at the age of 70. I currently am involved with Aberdeen University's on-line course "Family History in Northern Scotland", for which I act as Tutor. We have just completed the first assignment, and the second assignment is due early in April, and with 40-plus students, I get plenty of queries to sort out.
I am also writing a novel, as well as the occasional article for family history society journals - latest was one for an Irish society, about deaths in Scotland. I have got another index in preparation, but it needs inputting to a database.... another task not yet done!

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Aberdeenshire families
« on: Sunday 31 January 10 15:25 GMT (UK)  »
Coats of arms are not for a surname, they belong to an individual, which is why I asked WHOSE coat of arms they were. Scottish coats of arms are granted by the Lord Lyon king of arms. Each coat of arms shows the relationship of that individual to a predecessor, and other members of his/her family have differenced arms, to show their relationship to him. The original arms can only be inherited by the eldest son as heir.
Gordon.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Aberdeenshire families
« on: Wednesday 18 November 09 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
Whose coat of arms is that Drom image you have attached to your postings?
Gordon.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: David WANTON, Craig by Montrose
« on: Sunday 09 August 09 20:46 BST (UK)  »
Noticed the census advert at the side of many posts, so:
Please note that SCOTTISH census information is NOT available form the URL stated, but IS available from the scotlandspeople website
Gordon Johnson

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: David WANTON, Craig by Montrose
« on: Friday 07 August 09 20:23 BST (UK)  »
I think you should perhaps also add Wanton to your Smith problems!
The parish listing prepared by the Craig minister in 1788 contained NO Wantons, but one spouse (to Robert Watt) is an Anne HAMPTON.
The 1841 census of Craig has NO HAMPTON, but has at least one WANTON (1841 parish surname index) ; while the 1851 census of Craig has NO WANTON or HAMPTON, but has two HANTONs, born Dundee but nephews of a local resident). The Craig OPR has at least one HANTON family (James Hanton and Barbara Walker married 20 march 1790). The pre-1855 Angus M.I.s don't show a Wanton in Craig or Montrose.
I conclude that there is a possibility of the surname being heard and written by session clerks in several ways, so look for the relatives under various spellings in locations up and down the coast (most of the Craig families were fishermen and seamen).
Hope this helps.
Gordon Johnson

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