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The Common Room / GRO Indexes
« on: Thursday 09 August 18 12:38 BST (UK)  »
GRO are missing indexes for Volume 18, December QTR 1838. Volume 18 mainly covers South Staffordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire before 1852.

According to FreeBMD there are around 4534 entries for that year and quarter

Instead, entries from Suffolk and Essex have been double-indexed as both Volumes 12 and 18.

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SMITH,  -       DENNISON 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SAFFRON WALDEN  Volume 18  Page 104
SMITH,  -       OSBORNE
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in THE ROMFORD UNION  Volume 18  Page 179
SMITH, ANN        WILDING 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 18  Page 378
SMITH, ELIZA        DRURY
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 18  Page 381
SMITH, ELIZABETH        FREEMAN 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in IPSWICH  Volume 18  Page 302
SMITH, ELLEN        PEACHEY
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in COLCHESTER UNION DISTRICT  Volume 18  Page 60
SMITH, ELLEN        POOR 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in ORSETT UNION  Volume 18  Page 151
SMITH, EMMA        SHELLEY
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in ROCHFORD UNION  Volume 18  Page 167
SMITH, EMMA        SMITHERS 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in CHELMSFORD  Volume 18  Page 35

an almost identical set of transcripts for Volume 12 - excepting the first entry

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SMITH, -        DENNISON 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SAFFRON WALDEN  Volume 12  Page 194
SMITH, -        OSBORUE
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in THE ROMFORD UNION  Volume 12  Page 179
SMITH, ANN        WILDING 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 12  Page 378
SMITH, ELIZA        DRURY
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 12  Page 381
SMITH, ELIZABETH        FREEMAN 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in IPSWICH  Volume 12  Page 302
SMITH, ELLEN        PEACHEY
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in COLCHESTER UNION DISTRICT  Volume 12  Page 60
SMITH, ELLEN        POOR 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in ORSETT UNION  Volume 12  Page 151
SMITH, EMMA        SHELLEY
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in ROCHFORD UNION  Volume 12  Page 167
SMITH, EMMA        SMITHERS 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in CHELMSFORD  Volume 12  Page 35

Volume 18 for the previous quarter

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SMITH,  -       JONES 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in CLEOBURY MORTIMER  Volume 18  Page 33
SMITH,  -       WILLITTS
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION  Volume 18  Page 268
SMITH, ANN        HINGLEY 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION  Volume 18  Page 246
SMITH, BETSEY        EDMUNDS
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION  Volume 18  Page 320
SMITH, DIANA        KENT 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 18  Page 536
SMITH, DINAH        TYLER
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in CLEOBURY MORTIMER  Volume 18  Page 35

There were two error check requests two weeks ago and they came back today as

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Report Type:    Missing entry in the birth index         Date Submitted:    25 Jul 2018
Current Status:    Investigated – No amendment required         GRO Index Reference:    1838 D Stourbridge 18 419   
GRO Comments:   Indexed data is correct.

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Report Type:    Missing entry in the birth index         Date Submitted:    25 Jul 2018
Current Status:    Investigated – No amendment required         GRO Index Reference:    1838 D Dudley 18 293   
GRO Comments:   Indexed data not available.

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Quaker Family History / Black Country Quakers
« on: Friday 11 November 16 00:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas Carter, a committed Quaker since at least 1663. He lived at Wordsley, Kingswinford and died circa 1697, leaving various bequests to Quaker friends and the Quaker poor. He and his children appear in various marriage lists, his daughter Susannah married Edmund Ford (registered), his son Thomas to Mary ? and daughter Jane to _ Fidoe (almost certainly John Fidoe of Wednesbury who would have been deceased at the time of his father-in-law's will). Thomas Junior may have married out, or left later on, but the Fidoes were definitely committed Quakers. So theoretically the births, marriages and deaths of Thomas Carter Senior's children, along with his own death, should have been registered with the Society of Friends. But, apart from the one marriage they appear to be missing. Luckily the Fidoes are recorded as having received burials at a Quaker burial ground in the Wednesbury Parish Registers, but several of the corresponding Friends’ records for the same are missing. Bizarrely Henry Fidoe, another Quaker, was also a churchwarden.

"Quaker churchwardens were a particular difficulty.  The duty of keeping order in church included (and still includes) ensuring that men remove their hats in church.  At one time, Quakers apparently refused to take their own hats off, even when in church."

https://ecclesiasticallaw.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/the-office-of-churchwarden-a-system-of-checks-and-balances/

John Muchall and Mary Holt married at Sedgley in 1752. Her father was Edward Holt who married Elizabeth Cox. Edward Holt registered his first four children as Quakers and his death was registered in 1767 at Stourbridge. Other children are known from his will and published sources. Son Edward Holt was baptised aged 19, at Halesowen. A possible Grandson Moses Tibbatts was baptised aged 23, at Birmingham. Two married daughters (Mary Muchall, Jane Mason), a son (John Holt) and twelve grandchildren by John Muchall and Mary Holt are all baptised on the 20 March 1774, at Kingswinford. No reference, however, is made to their previous faith.

I've tried searching for marriage lists, but detailed records for the Black Country and Birmingham meetings seem generally poor in the mid-18th century.

James Compson and Mary Holt married at Kingswinford in 1723. Her father Edward Holt married Mary Hornblower in a Quaker ceremony and his death in 1714 was registered at Stourbridge. James Compson dies in 1776, naming three sons in his will. One of the named sons was baptised at Kingswinford and one other son also baptised there, but the other two are not to be found in either the Kingswinford PRs or the (surviving) Quaker records.

I'm aware of defects in the Birmingham Preparative Meeting records, but with the Quakers supposed triplicate record keeping shouldn’t the BMD notes have appeared in the MMs or QMs?

Would also like to know where Elizabeth, widow of Edward Holt, was buried or if she remarried. She probably survived to at least 1776. The same for Mary, widow of Edward Holt, the elder, who would have been alive in 1718.

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Quaker Family History / Non-conformity
« on: Friday 11 November 16 00:14 GMT (UK)  »
One distant relative was originally a Quaker, then baptised in the Church of England, baptised his first lot of Children in the CoE and later registered his children as Baptists at Birmingham.

There are other persons at Kingswinford and Sedgley in the 1660s that were called Anabaptists and Quakers.

KINGSWINFORD, 1663. Thoma Carter, Quaker.
Gulielmu Marshall, Quaker; keeping his children unbaptised.
Franciscu Passmore, Quaker.
1665. Mariam Pearkes vid, Quaker; for absenting from Church. Excom.
SEDGLEY. 1663. Guliel: Corbett, Thoma Phillips, Quaker.
1665. Gulielmum Corbet et eius ux, Anab. et Quakers; Excom.
Thoma Phillips, Anab. et Quaker; Excom.

Is the Baptist faith the most compatible alternative for someone with a Quaker upbringing?

The Independents and Presbyterians were fairly strong in the areas I'm searching, would they be considered as different from the Quaker faith as the Church of England?

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Quaker Family History / Marriages 1837+
« on: Friday 11 November 16 00:13 GMT (UK)  »
Does any one have an example marriage certificate for a Quaker ceremony between 1837 and 1850? I'm looking for a marriage of a possible Quaker between those dates and wondering whether there were any identified problems with getting a copy into the hands of the General Registrar as the marriage doesn't appear to be in the indexes.

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Quaker Family History / Welsh Quakers
« on: Friday 11 November 16 00:12 GMT (UK)  »
I have an ancestor Jane Owen born circa 1823 at Meifod, Montgomeryshire. It's possible she was a Quaker. Would there be any problems searching the online collections at either Ancestry or findmypast? Such as, were any registers not properly sent to the registrar and thus not in RG6, or were some monthly meetings not proper in their record keeping etc. I've identified some missing images on findmypast for North Warwickshire meetings, not sure if the same is true for Wales.

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London and Middlesex / Westminster Wills
« on: Friday 11 November 16 00:07 GMT (UK)  »
On this page findmypast promised a collection of Probate records for Westminster:

We will publish the following records in the coming months:

•Non-conformist registers 1694-1945
•Cemetery registers 1855-1990
•Settlement examination books 1701-1840
•Removal registers 1710-1867
•Poor relief lists 1715-1869
•Workhouse admission and discharge books 1725-1869
•Apprenticeship registers 1640-1869
•Bastardy records 1657-1825
•Militia records 1780-1816
•Watch, constables and beadles' records 1736-1830
•Wills and probate records 1504-1829

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/partner-westminster-collection (archive.org has the same page archived to May 2014)

Ancestry have most of the London Probate records online except for

Court of the Peculiar of the Dean and Chapter of Westminster (Abbey) , 1504-1829
Royal Peculiar Court of St Katherine's by the Tower, 1545-1803

Anyone know what happened to findmypast’s plans to upload those for Westminster?

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London and Middlesex / St Giles in the Fields Parish Registers
« on: Friday 11 November 16 00:04 GMT (UK)  »
Would anyone know whether there are any transcripts available or if either findmypast or Ancestry have plans to upload the records?

There’s some online for the 1750s courtesy of Julie Dovey, but I am looking for earlier records.

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Ireland / Ireland, Prerogative Court of Ireland Wills
« on: Thursday 10 November 16 23:56 GMT (UK)  »
For the pre-1858 ecclesiastical courts, will books containing copies of the originals survive for the Prerogative Court (1664-1684, 1706-1708, 1726-1728, 1728-1729, 1777, 1813 and 1834) and some Diocesan Courts – Connor (1818-1820 and 1853-1858) and Down (1850-1858). The will books for Armagh, Belfast and Londonderry are in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland.

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/home.jsp

Has anyone had any luck finding a will amongst the copy volume of wills between the years quoted?

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Fleet Street, Birmingham (Burial)
« on: Thursday 10 November 16 23:54 GMT (UK)  »
The Aris' Birmingham Gazette of 25 April 1825 reported the death of Mr William Mitchell on the 14th April at Fleetstreet, aged 59. There's isn't a corresponding death notice for him in the Birmingham Journal like there are for some of the others in the Gazette of the same date. A possible widow marries Joseph Willday.

If it’s the person I think it is then a nephew was buried 31 January 1822 at Saint Paul's Chapel, Birmingham. But neither Saint Paul's nor the other Birmingham churches seem to furnish a burial for this William Mitchell. Searching ancestry, findmypast (Quakers, non-conformists) and the NBI doesn't turn up a likely candidate.

I've identified Deritend, Saint John the Baptist and Asthed, Saint James the Less as having burial registers missing from the Ancestry collection. Would anyone having access to either those two registers, transcripts of the Roman Catholic registers or transcripts of the Memorial Inscriptions mind having a look for this William Mitchell (also spelt Michell, Muchall, Mutchall)?

Secondly, would anyone know of any non-conformist records for Birmingham that wouldn't be held at the National Archives, are therefore not online, and that cover the period concerned?

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