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Evening all,
so my brick wall needs some more chipping at if you can all be so kind in helping me.

i have posted before and think i need a new thread as i have more updates..
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823258.msg6864183#msg6864183

(hope the link works)

so I now know that Elizabeth Jones middle name is Louisa - its on the burial record - 1st time ive come across the middle name.
Elizabeth Jones b 1830 Berhsam?. married John Smith - but never found marriage cert however possible her sister Frances married John Smith in 1859 and died in childbirth , hence Elizabeth became John Smith "wife".
i have every document right up to me and my siblings from Elizabeth Louisa Jones- apart from marriage. her children and their lines etc.

now I subscribe to Full Ancestry including pro, My Heritage and also FindMyPast.
DNA i manage for my are myself, my full brother, my half brother, half brothers daughter (my niece) , and have access to my 2nd cousins DNA all uploaded to MH apart from 2nd cousins.

now Elizabeth Jones husband - John Smith parents. between us confirmed by Ancestry DNA and connected to me is 7.

now Elizabeth Louisa Jones father presuming from Frances marriage states John Jones labourer.

now my full brother and I on Ancestry DNA matches have this 1 DNA match to her paternal line - through lines - i know how it works. suggests Lewis Jones is the connection and that John jones father is Robert Jones and his dad is Lewis Jones connecting us. - however i cannot confirm those links beyond John to Lewis.

however my half brother has a match also suggesting the same Lewis but totally different person. - and its showing on maternal side - so not our side- although yes ive come across that before been wrong side. but i have managed to connect him to us, with just John and Robert via his Sister Mary Jones  connected to Lewis Jones. but floating as unverified.

now on MH all 3 of us plus my half niece all have the DNA match to this 1 DNA (Lewis connection) but match both her parents and to cut a long story short i have connected 37 and counting DNA Matches to her maternal and 30 plus and counting to her paternal side! yes her parents match each other several times - i just cannot connect to me.

now quite alot of these do have shared matches with the John Smith parents i have confirmed. but still not linked direct to me. and some are from Elizabeth Louisa Jones and John Smith daughter line who is my next gt grandmother, and my gt grandfathers line.


So any help out who could be the correct Elizabeth Lousia Jones parents will be very greatly appriciated

many thanks
Weenie

Good evening, im wondering if anyone could tell me about the town Ballintubbert Queens Co. how large it was the area in around 1830's please i keep looking at google but all i seem to get is the big house and gardens

i have my 4th gt grandparents Whelan and Brennan coming from Ballintubbert area. i loose track of them, after there 4th child is born , but 3 out of 4 children i have traced through. what ive noticed is that the same couple of names show up on baptisms as sponsers and also witness's to marriage. im told that it was mainly family members or very close friends if no family availble. so ive thought i would suggest that some are Brennans and that could be siblings of my 4th gt grandmother . also another name that is there a few times , ive checked the area for random marriages and births around the same time and notice the name Finning is then married to a Whelan. - i do understand how you cannot presum, i am only trying to piece it all together and get further.

it doesnt help i have 2 DNA to my 4th grandmother but they have her married to a possible brother of Whelan and the dates kinda dont fit, plus this is my maternal line, yet no match with my mum and Ancestry seem to say its my paternal side

thankyou Weenie

Hi , im wondering if anyone could help me , i think my James Raper is James Roper on the 1881 census but im unsure.

my James b 1833 Holbeck , to parents William and Ann Raper, James married Matilda Wild in 1855 had childre Sarah and Hannah

The Raper siblings  were bakers /biscuit and confectionery makers
now ive traced Matilda with the children to her death 1883, although James isnt with them - i think he may have seperated - as ive found 2 prison records in 1870s for him been drunk and disorderly.

now i also found a James ROPER in the 1881 census , birth a bit out but living as Lodger married occ bread baker. livining with the Mary Ann Walker family who are also baker/confectionaries and grocers. There is also a grandson called William Henry Roper aged 6 whos mother is Mary Ann Walkers daughter who married William ROPER of Leeds Travelling confectioner his father is Paul Roper according to the Shadwell reform records William Henry Roper parents died young and he lived with his grandmother Mary Ann Walker.

am i climbing up wrong branch? i just cannot seem to find James Raper after his marriage to Matilda apart from prision records. he also isnt the James Raper in Scarborough either .. tried that avenue.

it is also not the 1st time Raper is Roper used

many thanks
Weenie

good evening all,
i have recently connected to my 2nd cousin through DNA which im so pleased with because my grandfather never spoke about his 3 younger siblings to his children, so when i found them on the 1911 census when it came out its been a brick wall all these years, so obviously when the younger sibling John wilfred Jones grandaughter connected with me it was a huge delight.
but of course it also brings more brick walls so im trying to find out who Aprille Myfanway Jones is?
so ive been told that my 2nd cousin dad didnt speak to his father (John Wilfred Jones) when he left his mother to be with another woman, apparently he had a son called Robert to this other woman. now when John Wilfred Jones passed away someone contacted his son and he went to the funeral and has his death certificate
unfortunatly that is what we know apart from on the death cert it has informant as Aprille Myfanway Jones in Qualification side it says occupier
what i have learned from Ancestry and my findings are as follows:
John wilfred Jones b 24 Nov 1902 Bury Street Wrexham
Lived at Turnpath Cottages in 1908 when twin brothers were born
they the moved to Leeds West Yorkshire between 1908 ad the 1911 census lived at Penreavan Place Leeds
21st July 1924 Johnn Wilfred married Nora Wilson at family home 23 Mellville Place Leeds, sister Dora and sisters husband Thomas Jordan witnessess. known as Wilfred Jones then.
John Wilfred and Nora had twin boys Wilfred and Kenneth 1928 Leeds occupation Waiter
1939 is at 212AA Training camp Huntingto Cheshire, Sargent Leeds rifles retired
27 July 1984 death Fobyty Glan Clwyd Bodelwyddan (looks like this on cert -sorry if wrong) hence posting in this board
address is 29 FFord Pendames Maes Pennant Nostfn Clwyd (again sorry if spelt wrong)

my cousin seems to think the son Robert was born around 1938 where is unknown.
i am unable to show the death cert as i respect my new cousins wishes of not sharing.

so if anyone can help would be greatly appriciated,
i would also like to add that my grandfather is Robert his son ( my uncle ) is called Wilfred , im premusing after John Wilfred his brother , known as just Wilfred and to find out his son to other woman is called Robert , possibly after his brother and father. - i dont know if significant but when the decendants of the first 3 children Dora, Ada and Robert have never heard of the 3 younger brothers it seems very odd especially of the naming pattern. also my cousin did know of all siblings that her father told her ??

Weenie