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London and Middlesex / Follow the Old Paloney Man
« on: Thursday 21 March 24 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, I am trying to remember some of the Christmas party games we used to play as children back in Wandsworth in the 1950's. My Dad used to come up with one he called "Follow the Old Paloney Man", although I'm not sure how to spell "Paloney". It consisted of the family sitting in a circle having each chosen an imaginary instrument to play. My Dad would sit in the middle of us and as we all sang "Follow the Old Paloney Man", he would pretend to play one of the instruments we'd chosen. You had to watch him closely and if the instrument was the one you had chosen, you had to immediately play it too. Otherwise you would have to carry out a forfeit. I know that there are variations of this kind of game, but nobody seems to recognise this one. Also, who or what was a Paloney Man?

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Armed Forces / The Burning Horse Ceremony
« on: Wednesday 20 March 24 15:05 GMT (UK)  »
The topic I'm posting relates to a 19th century clipper ship named The Westland which used to sail from England to New Zealand and back. Because the sailors were on board a week before the passengers or cargo, it was the practice for them to receive a month's salary in advance. So, the end of the first month of the journey was a time of great rejoicing for them because, up to that point, they had been "working for a dead horse" but now their wages would begin to accumulate. The ceremony they undertook involved making a sham horse, stuffing it with straw, tar, pitch and other inflammable materials. The sailors then painted their faces black, wore ridiculous masks and hats and paraded the horse around the deck while singing and playing flutes, tin whistles etc, A mock auction followed and the horse was sold to the highest bidder. It was then hoisted up to the yardarm with its rider who set fire to it, letting it drop into the sea. The rider was then lowered safely. The ceremony ends with the crew assembling at the captain's cabin and being served with alcohol. I have never heard of this ceremony before and I would to know more about it and whether it occurred on other vessels besides a clipper ship.

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London and Middlesex / The Reverend Frank Gould
« on: Tuesday 23 January 24 16:37 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to learn more about the Reverend Frank Gould who was a vicar at the church of St. John the Divine, Garratt Lane, Earlsfield, Wandsworth in the early to mid 1950's. By 1957 I believe he may have moved to a diocese in Lewisham, south west London and he was instrumental in giving comfort to some of the victims of the Lewisham train disaster which occurred in December of that year. I'd be very grateful if anybody can provide any information about him. Many thanks.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Richard Cadman Etches
« on: Monday 09 October 23 12:54 BST (UK)  »
Can anybody help me decipher the final three lines of the attached please. I am OK up until
Wine Merchant
At his own expense he
attempted to close
 After this the only words I can see that might be correct are Sherborne and the final word which might be Napoleon.

Many thanks.

M

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Armed Forces / 18th Century HMS ships
« on: Tuesday 22 June 21 12:36 BST (UK)  »
I am researching a person who joined the Royal Navy in 1770 and during the next ten years or so sailed on a number of ships. I have the names of the vessels but would like to learn more about their captains, crews and voyages etc. Is there a website listing these details please?

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Europe / Richard Cadman Etches
« on: Tuesday 10 November 20 19:37 GMT (UK)  »
I am researching the life of a very interesting character by the name of Richard Cadman Etches. He was an Englishman, probably born around 1753, who spent much of his later life working for the British Secret Service as a spy. I have discovered that in 1789 he went to Copenhagen where he achieved Danish nationality, the reason being that this would enable him to flit in and out of Revolutionary France with impunity. I would love to know whether any record of this exists in Denmark and/or how I would go about finding it. Any help would be most welcome.

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Derbyshire / The Last Will and Testament of William Etches
« on: Thursday 10 September 20 15:36 BST (UK)  »
I have been trying unsuccessfully to locate the will of William Etches which was supposedly made on 13th May 1839.

He had connections with Shipston-on-Stour, Northampton but ended up dying in Ashbourne, aged 79, on the 16th August 1839. He was described as a maltster.

Can anybody help me please?

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Family History Beginners Board / History of a House
« on: Thursday 03 September 20 14:29 BST (UK)  »
In the latter part of the 18th Century an ancestor of mine lived in a house just off Oxford Street The address was 19 Bryanston Street, Portman Square. I want to discover the history of the house and who lived there over the years. I suppose I should approcah HM Land Registry but if so I'm not sure what I should be askiing for. Can anyone help me please?

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The Common Room / John Etches - Princess Rose
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 20:34 BST (UK)  »
I'm researching members of the Etches family who were entrepreneurs in the 18th Century. They sent ships to the Northwest Coast of America to trade in sea otter furs. In a family document I came across the following: " John Etches lost an arm and a leg during a violent Pacific storm when the mast of the Princess Rose fell on him. So he decided to return to England aboard the Prince of Wales".
 I would like to find some corroborating evidence before accepting this as true but have no idea where to start to look. The Princess Rose was a small ship of 65 tons which sailed from Deptford on 23rd September 1786. It sailed around Tierra del Fuego in January 1787 and encountered some violent storms there. This may be where the accident occurred. It then sailed up to Vancouver Island to trade. John Etches was the supercargo and he sailed back to London in January 1789. I'd be very pleased if anybody could direct me to where I might find any proof that the accident had indeed occurred.

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