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Ireland / PRONI - St Anne's Shankill, Belfast (Connor Diocese) question
« on: Sunday 06 March 16 03:53 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to assist a friend of mine tracking down his ancestors.  We have managed to detect that his ancestors had some association (ie married, baptised) with St Anne's Shankill (Connor diocese), Belfast.  When searching on the rootsireland site I found 2 records relating to the family (1 baptism and 1 marriage) but am unable to track down the majority of the family being baptised etc at this church.
I gather PRONI holds the microfilm
PRONI REFERENCE NUMBER
MIC583/18-23; MIC1/178
The info on PRONI indicates that the records are "full" ie, not many gaps in the time period that we are interested in 1820-1858.  I have emailed PRONI asking about the condition, gaps etc of this register but have not heard back as yet.

Before my friend engages a local researcher to actually go to PRONI (we live in Australia and it seems the only way to access the microfiche is to physically go) I thought I would ask a question here:
1.  Does anyone know if there are time period gaps in the St Anne's Shankill register information held at PRONI - which could explain the "missing" baptisms, deaths etc we are looking for, particulaly the period 1820-1858.

I would welcome any assistance
Cocks

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Attached (hopefully) is a cropped and resized portion of a Death Certificate in Victoria, Australia in 1872.  I am attempting to assist a friend with one of their brick walls (a certain James Smith Shaw) and am hoping that some rootschatters could give me their thoughts on the spelling/word/place of the alleged Place of Marriage shown on this man's DC.

I would be very keen on rootschatterer's "fresh eyes" and what those fresh eyes "see" ......

Any assistance or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Cocksie

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Antrim / The term "common school" Belfast 1840s
« on: Saturday 24 October 15 00:56 BST (UK)  »
An acquaintance has asked me for some help tracing his Australian Shaw ancestors back in Belfast in the early 1800s and I am checking (getting my head around) his collated family research done to date and I have very (very) limited experience with family history research in Ireland.

The Australian Dictionary of Biography states that a certain William Henry Shaw, b. Belfast abt 1830 was educated at "the common school".
From what I can find online it seems this term may refer to the attempt in 1832 to set up non-denominational schools in Ireland?
Am I on the right path?
Cocksie


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Request for help please.
I can't find Frances (female) Warren in 1861 census anywhere (Devon or otherwise).
I have found her with members of her family in all other census from 1851-1911.  I have found and followed all her siblings in England and Australia
Frances Warren never married.
Occupation listed on other found censuses:  dressmaker
Frances Warren was baptised September 1844 Exeter. Parents:  William (b abt 1806 Thorverton, Devon) & Mary (nee Bowden b abt 1800 Cullompton, Devon).
She is with her parents & siblings in 1851, Exeter, St Mary Major, James Street
Her mother, Mary is dead by 1871 census and she is living with her father, William in 1871, Exeter, St Mary Major, James Street
She is still in Exeter, St Mary Major in 1881, 1891 and in Exeter 1901 & 1911.  Occupation:  dressmaker or retired dressmaker.

I suspect she would be living with her father in 1861 but I can't find him either in this census:  William (occupation builder or carpenter).  Her mother, Mary, may or may not be alive in 1861. EDIT TO ADD - have just found Mary's death in Feb 1870 (James Street) so she should be on 1861 census with William and Frances ...... somewhere

Any help would be much appreciated.
cocksie


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I am hoping someone can help me understand/glean info from a settlement examination of a Richard Cock in 1785, Beer Ferrers, Devon.  I have transcribed it:

"Devon
To Wit
The Examination of Richard Cock – now residing in the Parish of Bereferris in the said County Mason – taken on Oath before me John Jago Clerk One of His Majestys Justices of the Peace in and for the said County the Nineteenth day of January One thousand seven Hundred and Eighty Five.
Who saith that about Sixteen years since the Bound himself an apprentice to one Anthony Wilson of the Parish of Redruth in the County of Cornwall Mason for Seven years and that he served his said apprenticeship and hath never since done any act or thing whereby to gain a settlement. And that he hath a wife namely Ann and three children viz Ambrose aged about Nine years Richard aged about Four years and Michael aged about One year now residing with him in the said Parish of Beerferris.

(signature of Richard Cocke)

Taken and sworn this day and year (first ?) above written before me
(signature of Jn Jago)"

Other pertinent information:
Richard was married in Redruth in 1775
Richard had 3 children baptised in Redruth (Ambrose 1775, Richard 1779 & James Pollard 1781)
7 further children baptised in Bere Ferrers (1783-1792)
2 children buried in Bere Ferrers (1784-1790)
And then 2 further children baptised in Redruth (1794-1796)
The children in general married in the area of Bere Ferrers (and surrounds)

Questions:
1.  Does this imply that 16 years earlier Richard began his apprenticeship in Redruth OR that he finished his apprenticeship 16 years ago?
2.  Does this imply that Richard was originally from Bere Ferrers, then moved to Redruth and then moved back to Bere Ferrers OR that just that he was in Bere Ferrers in 1785 and had been apprenticed in Redruth earlier?
3.  Could an apprentice marry?
4.  How long would a stone mason apprentice last? 7 years?

I think, in essence, I do not understand what the settlement examination actually means ..... am probably a bit "thick" and any plain english answers would help.
cocksie

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The Lighter Side / The personal profound impact of my ancestor research
« on: Friday 18 April 14 00:13 BST (UK)  »
I have only been researching my ancestors for the past 4 years but I have just realised the profound influence this research has had on my thought processes.  It has opened up a whole new interest in history as I try to understand the eras and events of times long past - particularly the early to mid 1800s when my ancestors, young and old, voluntary and non-voluntarily, made their way to Australia.

7 weeks ago I was reading about some early young australian explorers (Bass and Flinders), and rereading Primo Levi's "if this is a man", plus some 1820's historical reading about Cornwall.

7 weeks ago my school going, hormonal, risk taking 16yo son came to me with a potentially hare brained proposal - he wanted to go to Shangahi with a friend for 10 days.  Interestingly, he seemed to have a plan and had looked into costs, flights and cheap accommodation.  My gut reaction: you have got to be kidding.  And then I thought about it.  And I thought about my ancestors - the 16 yo transported female convict and Cornish ancestors who made the enormous decision to leave all they knew (in 1823) and head for the great australian unknown ....... And I said "yes" to my son. And my friends and family looked at me with horror.

So my 16yo went to Shanghai with his friend for 10 days and he is back in one piece and does not appear to have got himself into trouble.  He coped (and I coped with my anxiety levels) and had a great time  and saw and did things that sound fantastic (although I wasn't so rapt to hear about illegal night time go-carting reminiscent of the movie "the fast and the furious".)

As I woke up this morning I thought - I don't think I would have supported the Shanghai proposal if I had not taken up this ancestral research caper.  It has profoundly changed me.
Cocksie

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Australia / Aargh - help understanding a convict indenture
« on: Sunday 02 March 14 05:51 GMT (UK)  »
In an effort to track down the mother of an ancestor I have collated, spreadsheeted and tracked all the female convicts who arrived in Sydney on the Princess Charlotte in 1827.
The bound indentures of these convicts on Ancestry seem to be a muster held on board on 11 August 1827 (5 days after arrival).
There are 2 Mary Davis women listed, with details of trial places, dates etc.  Both have been assigned to Sydney persons.
Under 1 of the Mary's it is written "Dead as stated by Mary Davis - two lines below".

I am finding this confusing ......
Medical diary & captains log etc reports one death prior to leaving England (A child) and one death on board during the voyage - a Maria Coutts who is listed as deceased in the "bound indent" (or muster).
So, is this handwritten comment implying that Mary Davis A arrived alive on 6 August, assigned to a person and then died onboard before 11 August?
If she died on board wouldn't the captain's log report it?
I can't find her death listed on NSW BDM - which was my other thought as, technically, if she died between 6 Aug and 11 Aug she was almost on land.

Or could it be an added note later on????  I ask as it appears that one of the Mary Davis made an application for marriage in 1832 which was refused on the basis that "there are two Mary Davis by this ship.  A description of her person is therefore wanted".

Can someone help me clear my head as it feels scrambled trying to work this out.
Thanks in advance
cocksie

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Sorry, the photo is a bit damaged.  I can't recognise anyone in it yet so some kind of date would help.  It would have been taken somewhere in Sydney ...... am hoping it might be some time in the 1880s.  It was found collated with some other photos in an envelope.  All other photos seem to relate to a particular ancestor ..... so am wondering if somewhere in this class shot this particular person is a child .... which would work if it was early 1880s.
Thank you
cocksie

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"Photo" is quite dark and appears to be metal????  Oddly, I believe I can identify the boy/man standing at the rear (hopefully) ..... but his hair is parted on the wrong side compared with a similar photo (on card).
What date(ish) do you think this photo is?
Googling about the metalness of it leads me to think it is a tin type photo - but I really have no idea.
All help and thoughts much appreciated.
cocksie

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