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The Common Room / Edward Leslie and Joan Beynon
« on: Saturday 20 April 24 12:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi, wondering if anyone fancies looking for the above couple?

Edward Leslie Beynon's birth was registered in Epsom, Surrey in Jul-Sept 1911, DoB recorded as 5 July 1911 on the 1939 register. His father Arthur Richard Beynon was born in Merthyr Tydfil, south Wales, and they had returned there by 1914.

In 1939 Edward was in Kelston Rd, Cardiff as a 'clerk in holy orders (Church in Wales)'. He married Joan MacArthur (birth registered as McArthur in Cardiff in Oct-Dec 1919) in Cardiff in Oct-Dec 1941.

By 1945 they had moved to in Mede Cottage in Chertsey, Surrey, and had 2 children, Elizabeth L and Peter JM. In 1953 they were living at the Vicarage, Addlestone Rd, Surrey, and by 1955 they had been joined there by Edward's parents (Arthur Richard and Stella May Beynon) and their daughter Dulcie Blanche.

I have later details on Edward's parents (including their deaths) and his sister (she married a David Oliphant in 1958 in Surrey and died in Milton Keynes in 1983) but cannot find anything on Edward Leslie and Joan after 1955, nor on their children (though there are possible marriages). Joan appears to be redacted - with her parents at 6 Knoll Crescent, Neath - in 1939 so no DoB for her, but she was said to be 1y 6m in 1921. I have searched for Edward Leslie / Edward / Leslie, and by his date of birth but nothing ???

Can anyone find anything later on Edward Leslie and Joan, especially their deaths. Thanks,

Deirdre

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The Common Room / Intestate
« on: Monday 15 April 24 20:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi, anyone know (or can let me have a link to a site which explains) how an estate is decided when a person dies intestate? Have seen programmes like heir hunters on tv but never been anywhere near a situation like it before. I appreciate they create family trees and contact everyone before settling the estate.

Have a friend whose mother may well be involved in an estate where her (deceased) father was a first cousin to the man who has recently died. The family had never heard of the deceased man but i have now found out how they are related, but wondering how far / wide these things go (his parents are dead, he had no siblings and never married).

Thanks,

Deirdre

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Wiltshire / Electoral registers for 1960s
« on: Friday 05 April 24 18:06 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know where we might find electoral registers for Warminster? My husband is looking to trace where he lived as a youngster - his father was in the army and we think they were at Houldsworth Ave but are keen to find out when. Is there a records centre or local history centre where they might be? Sadly not found them online but hopefully the likely address might be a big help.

Thanks

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The Common Room / Marriage in 2 locations
« on: Monday 25 March 24 09:35 GMT (UK)  »
Is there any possibility of a marriage being registered in 2 locations? Sounds daft but i'm intrigued (I know i could buy both certificates but it's a research tree, not my own, so holding off for now).

It's the similarity of the unusual bride's name that makes me wonder....

Gwenhwyfar Morgan (born 6 March 1903 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire) married John Bowen Morgan in Merthyr Tydfil in Jul-Sept 1924; they had a son Glyndwr born 7 March 1926. John Bowen Morgan died in Jan 1936 and there's an amazingly detailed obit online (the Merthyr Express is brilliant for these).   

I've had trouble following Gwenhwyfar and Glyndwr after that time and can't find either on the 1939 register, either by name (including looking for Gwen / Glyn as both appear to be known), or by date of birth. I have now found that Gwenhwyfar was buried (in 1992) with her husband, though as Gwenhwyfar Bowen, widow of John (who wasn't buried with her). No Gwenhwyfar Morgan marriage to John Bowen, but found Gwenhwyfar Jones to John Bowen in Merthyr in 1958 (8b, 951).

So looking for a marriage of Gwenhwyfar Morgan to a Jones(!) between 1936 and 1958 and spotted these, both in the Jul-Sep quarter of 1940:
Gwenhwyfar Morgan to Thomas D Jones in Cardiff (11a, 1369)
Gwenhwyfer Morgan to John D D Jones in Hampstead (1a, 2064).

The logical one by area is the Cardiff one, though the 1936 obit for her husband does suggest that several of his siblings and in-laws were living in London (not found them yet) so it has to be a possibility (and maybe explains why i can't find Gwenhwyfar or her son Glyndwr in 1939 (spelling of Welsh names in London!).

Any suggestions welcome (or possible finds on the 1939), though i may bite the bullet and buy the certs, purely out of curiosity.

Thanks,

Deirdre

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Breconshire / Charles Hale, died 15 December 1890, Cefn, Vaynor
« on: Tuesday 16 January 24 11:54 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for the burial of Charles Hale, died 15 Dec 1890 at 80 High Street, Cefn, Vaynor. He was aged 26, an assistant with Ordnance Surveyors, and died of abdominal phthisis and exhaustion, leaving his widow Jane with 2 young daughters. He is not buried in Vaynor parish church (I've browsed the register in case of a mistake in the spelling), or in the Merthyr Tydfil cemeteries.

Not essential, just like to have the complete picture where possible. Jane married again, to a William J King; they are both buried in Ffrwd cemetery, Cefn, Merthyr Tydfil.

Thanks :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / cause of death query
« on: Sunday 31 December 23 12:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, can anyone help with this cause of death please (1886). I can see exhaustion but can't make out the earlier word.

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Herefordshire / John Pitchford (c 1834 - 1907) marriage puzzle
« on: Wednesday 29 November 23 11:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, trying to solve a puzzle!

Can anyone find a marriage for a John Pitchford and an Elizabeth please. They were in Yazor in 1881.

John was married in Llanfihangel Rhydithon (Radnorshire) in 1865 to Mary Price. Mary died in premature labour on 10 April 1879, in Yarsop, Yazor, with her death registered by John, widower of the deceased, present at the death. But the only marriage i can find is in Wormsley on 27 Jan 1875 (to Elizabeth Gunter). I haven't bought the certificate as it's not my tree, and the only detail i can find is on Family Search where Elizabeth is noted as being previously married, giving the maiden name Cole. No mention is made of any previous marriage for John. But presumably this can't be the one i'm looking for.

Any help appreciated, thanks

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Gloucestershire / Robert Gilvear, born 1827 in Inverkeithing, Fife
« on: Tuesday 24 October 23 17:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi, wondering if anyone can help with Robert Gilvear (various spellings over the years, Gillvear, Gilveer, Gilveir, Culvear etc).

Born in Inverkeithing, Fife on 22 December 1827, to John Culvear and Margret Hopert (should be Hooper), he was baptised with his 5 siblings on 5 March 1837 at the church of Sts Philip and Jacob in Bristol. He is one of the eventual 11 children born to John and Margaret as mentioned in this earlier topic looking for help with Margaret and her father.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=876605.msg7485364#msg7485364

Robert married Eliza Tarring on 5 November 1848 at St John's, Bedminster, Eliza a minor, father George Tarring, cordwainer. They appear to have a son Thomas born around 1849 in Bristol, but i can't find a registration to prove mmn or a baptism. Nor can i find Robert after his marriage. In 1861 - where i first found him - son Thomas (transcribed as Gilver) is a boarder with his maternal grandparents George and Harriet (transcribed as Tawing on Ancestry). His mother Eliza is not there.

Eliza appears to have a daughter Elizabeth (registered as Tarring, mother '-') in Manchester in the Jul-Sep quarter of 1860, and then marries a Thomas Edwards in Manchester on 15 Jan 1865, as Eliza Gilver, widow, father George Tarring, shoemaker. The link which i think confirms this to be the same Eliza Tarring (other than references to born in Bristol) is the appearance of a grandson in 1891 - Benjamin Gilvin on ancestry - but likely to be the son of Eliza's son Thomas and his Caroline Bedell, though again, not found on the GRO (but there is a Benjamin Thomas Gilvier born Bedminster in Jan-Mar 1885 on freeBMD), baptised at St Mary's, Redcliff on 3 Dec 1898, son of Thomas and Caroline, giving date of birth as 7 March 1884  ::).

My problem is that i cannot find a death for Robert before Eliza's second marriage in 1865, other than a possible one in Apr-Jun 1891 in Lambeth. But no other census entries for him either. Given the birth of Eliza's daughter in 1860 and her marriage as a widow, obviously they could have separated, variations in his name it seems impossible to track him down, though born Inverkeithing, Fife should make it easier - it doesn't  :(

If anyone can follow this confusing story and find any additional clues, I'd be most grateful. Not my own tree but one i'm doing for a friend.

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Fife / Margaret Hooper, born Inverkeithing, 1803 or 1813
« on: Monday 18 September 23 16:06 BST (UK)  »
First time I believe on the Scotland boards so 'hi'. And apologies in advance for the length of the post....

I'm researching a tree for a friend and am trying to unravel a mystery - the family has been researched many times over the last 50-60 years by her ancestors / relatives but I'm trying to establish the facts, though I appreciate I'm unlikely to uncover the truth.

Margaret Hooper was baptised on 10 March 1839 at St Philip and St Jacob, in Bristol, giving her date of birth as 23 May 1803, daughter of Thomas Hooper, a retired RN surgeon, and his wife Margaret. Thomas and Margaret had married on 26 August 1836 in St Paul's, Bristol, though it seems that they met and lived together in Inverkeithing in the early 1800s, though Thomas subsequently re-joined the navy and moved to Bristol on retirement, joined at some stage by Margaret.

Their daughter Margaret married John Culveer (various spellings over the years) in Inverkeithing on 7 Jan 1827. They had 6 children in Inverkeithing, 1827 (Robert), 1829 (William), 1830 (Margaret Crawford, her mother's maiden name), 1831 (Thomas Hooper), 1833 (Jennet Paton), and 1836 (George Hooper) before the family moved to the Bristol area. Five more children followed between 1837 and 1845.

The mystery surrounds the years between her mother Margaret's death on 30 October 1842, and her father Thomas's will written on 19 April 1844 where he disinherits Margaret (his only known child), claiming that 'whereas I had made a former will making provision for Margaret the wife of John Gulvear, in consequence of her gross misconduct in falsely asserting herself to be my daughter I revoke every bequest made by me in any former will....' and leaves everything to Jacob Crook (and appoints him as executor).  Thomas died on 19 May 1845 of old age and anasarca, at Brandon St, parish of St Augustine - this was the home of Jacob Crook.

The Clifton board of guardians took Thomas to court (newspaper report of 8 June 1844) describing him as a gentleman in 'easy circumstances' and asking the court to compel him to maintain his daughter Margaret, wife of John Gilvear, and her 10 children. Thomas had acknowledged Margaret as his daughter, and supported the family, until October 1843. They lost the case as they were unable to provide evidence of her parents' marriage in Scotland.

I've not found a marriage either, despite trying all variations of both names, but her baptism entry is strange. There is an entry in the Inverkeithing baptisms on Scotland's People (page 176) for a Margaret Cooper, daughter of Thomas Cooper (edited from John in initial post), surgeon, and Margaret Crawford, saying 'born in fornication 22 May 1813 - just one day out, and 10 years - and baptised named Margaret'. However, it appears at the bottom of a page of 1803 baptisms, and the following page is for 1803 too.  It doesn't appear to be in the same writing nor does it have Margaret's name in large letters underneath as do the other entries on the page. All subsequent records, including her second baptism in Bristol, give her birth in 1803. This does seem to support the ideas made by relatives over the years that the entry was somehow changed as a means of invalidating Margaret's claim to be Thomas's daughter.

I do have the ScotlandsPeople images of the 2 relevant pages around Margaret's baptism, and the marriage of Margaret and John.

While I'm not suggesting anything could be done about this now, I'd be interested to see if anyone can find an earlier marriage in Scotland for Thomas Hooper and Margaret Crawford, though I guess that's unlikely given their later marriage in Bristol. I would also love to hear any comments on this rather strange story.

Thanks for reading.

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