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« on: Tuesday 22 July 08 14:10 BST (UK) »
Hi
I'm still stuck in my search for the origins of my ancestor Henry Collins, a boilermaker born c1843. On his marriage cert to Janet Brown in 1865 Glasgow his father was Thomas Collins, shoemaker and his mother was Sarah Hughes
Thomas re-married a Rebecca Boyd in Glasgow 1854 so his first wife must have died before death records are available on Scotlandspeople. I have found Thomas and Rebecca in 1861/71 below
1861 Glasgow High Church
Thomas Collins 55 Shoemaker, Chelsea Pensioner, Ireland
Rebecca 50 Ireland
William son 20 steward on steamboat Ireland
Henry 18 calender Ireland
Thomas 13 calender Ireland
1871 Pollackshaws Eastwood Lanarkshire
Thomas Collins 64 Shoemaker, Ireland
Rebecca 54 Ireland
I cannot find them before 1861 so I've no idea when they arrived from Ireland although Henry and his brother Thomas always believed they were born in Glasgow in later censuses. I can't find the brother William after 1861. I have also looked at many Thomas Collins pension records at Kew but none give any clues to confirm they are mine. It is such a very common name.
So far all the information is consistant but now it gets really confusing. The son Thomas Collins became the minister of Bonhill Church Dunbarton and he is the informant on all these later conflicting messages.
1. Rebecca died 1875 Gorbals, wife of Thomas Collins, Sometime Marine Engineer
2. Thomas died 1879 Govan Church, widower of 1 Sarah Hughes, 2 Rebecca Boyd, Mechanical Engineer (Master) Thomas' father is listed as Thomas Collins, Farmer and mother Mary Balfour
3. Janet Collins nee Brown poorhouse records c1902 has notes about the search for husband Henry's birth record which they did not find. They had his parents listed as Thomas Collins, Soldier and Mary Hughes. They wrote to Thomas the minister who replied "I knew very little about Henry, my father was married twice. He was born I think in America" There is another note on the page that says "Gallowgate?" which is an area in Glasgow.
4. Thomas the minister got married in 1913 at the age of 66 and died 1926 age 79. In both marriage and death certs his parents are listed as Thomas Collins, farmer and Margaret Ann Crawford
So was Henry's mother Sarah Hughes or Mary Hughes? How does Margaret Ann Crawford fit in? Was their father Thomas a shoemaker, soldier, farmer or marine engineer?
I have one other clue from Thomas the ministers obituary which says "Mr Collins who is a native of Glasgow spent his early years in the office of his brother, who owned the Elliot Street Engine Works. Thereafter he entered a lawyers office" I have contacted the Glasgow archives and they could find no Engine Works in Eliot Street and no mention of any Collins family members. It does make me wonder if this is how Thomas Collins senior suddenly became involved in Marine Engineering in his retirement years.
Any ideas on what other avenues are left for me to search would be most welcome.
Lyla