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Armed Forces / Medal Card detail
« on: Friday 30 March 07 12:57 BST (UK)  »
I have downloaded a copy of the medal card for Herbert Charles COLLINGBOURNE which hopefully is attached.  I know rather a lot about how Bert died (which I posted in a thread entitled 'Finding Gunner Collingbourne' in the Common Room).

Is the qualifying date when he went over to France or when he enlisted?

Sorry if this is a silly question.. and rather morbid but I am guessing the 'D of wds' refers to 'died of wounds', what if anything is the difference between this and killed in action?


Warwickshire Lookup Requests / 1881 & 91 Coventry - ANGLISS Can anyone help please?
« on: Thursday 29 March 07 12:20 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone help me find this couple who seem to have got lost for 24 years?

Susannah COLLINGBOURNE (aged 22, spinster, weaver) – father Thomas COLLINGBOURNE, weaver of Primrose Hill Street married James ANGLISS (aged 21, bachelor, weaver) -  father James ANGLISS, weaver of Gilbert Street on 3 Dec 1865 Coventry St Peter.

In 1871 she is with her parents at Primrose Hill Street.  She is listed as Married but with the name COLLINGBOURNE – which I suppose could just be an over-ditto?

The only likely James I can find in 1871 is a James ANGLAISH aged 27.  He is a weaver from Coventry visiting John UNDERWOOD, a Hosier in Nottingham, though he is down as unmarried.  Also visiting are two other weavers from Coventry delighting in the names William and Julia SHAKESPEARE!

I can't find either of them after this. 
The next thing I know is Susannah died in Hatton Lunatic Asylum 27 May 1895.  Her 'occupation' is listed as 'Wife of --- ANGLISS, Ribbon Weaver of Union Workhouse, Coventry'.  The informant is her sister Alice Sophia MILLS, of Hillfields Coventry.

I’d really like to know where they were in ’81 and’91 but just can’t seem to find them at all. I have even trawled through pages and pages of just people born in Coventry around the right time in case there is a particularly extreme mis-transcription (not an extreme one, but my favourite, being COLLIAYBONEVE for COLLINGBOURNE).

I’ve obviously missed something and I am hoping it is something obvious!

Hope someone can help.

Best wishes


The Common Room / Finding Gunner Collingbourne
« on: Friday 21 July 06 19:45 BST (UK)  »
This week I headed off to Coventry (visiting family, well mostly…or partly, at least) to hunt down some of my dad’s side of the family, particularly to find out a bit about Herbert Charles Collingbourne (1st cousin 2ce removed) whose death I had found on the CWGC site...died ‘of wounds’ (!)  Wandering round London Road cemetery (after about 45minutes, with my dad slowly losing patience, he likes more immediate results I suspect!)  I found:

Beloved wife of D C Collingbourne
Died Nov 10th 1898 Aged 30
Also of Doris
Dearly beloved daughter of the above
Died April 7th 1917  Aged 18 years
Deeply mourned

[Left side]
Also David Charles

[Right Side]
Also of Gunner Herbert C Collingbourne (Bert) No 360 Warks RHA
Their only son, died of wounds received in Action, Interred at St Omer, France Jan 4, 1916 aged 23 years
Also Reggie who died in infancy.

Reggie died in 1895 aged only 11 months and his mother Sarah Jane died in the same quarter of 1898 as Doris was born, and though I have not yet been able to afford the certificate I suspect she died in (or as a result of complications of) childbirth.   Then David has to suffer his son dying in war and Doris just a year later.

So off to the library to look through the news of the time…

The Coventry Herald
January 7th & 8th 1916


The remarkable immunity from casualties experienced by the Coventry section of the Warwickshire R.H.A. during the fourteen months they have been in France has been broken at last as the result of a recent bombardment, when several Coventry men were injured by the bursting of a high explosive shell.  The incident occurred at the beginning of last week when, in consequence of a German bombardment, the men sought safety in an old cellar protested by sandbags.  One of the enemy shells forced its way through the structure and played havoc among the men.  The son of Mr. Chattaway, architect of this city, was among the most seriously injured, and has been visited in hospital in France by his father.  Latest reports state that a successful operation has been performed.  Gunner Croydon, son of Richard Croydon, has been brought back to Colchester Hospital, while others injured who are well known locally are: Collingbourne, Short, Traherne (Chapel Fields), Reg. Fletcher (son of Mr. C. H. Fletcher).  Except in the case of Chattaway, the official notifications of injury have not been received.
The battery, it will be remembered, was the first Territorial Regiment to go to France, arriving there on Nov. 1, 1914.   They claim to have been more in action than any other battery, and have been complimented on their splendid work by General French.
Another account of the disastrous bombardment referred to is given in a letter from Gunner Croydon, who, in writing home says:- “ We all went down a cellar for safety, because they were shelling us and as soon as we got down there one of the (5.9) came in and burst.  The result was bricks and bits of shrapnel were flying all over the place.  About six of us got hurt – Fletcher, Short, Wiliday, Collingbourne, Barklett, and myself.  I believe Chattaway was hit, but I don’t know.  “Spot” (Phillips) was not there at all , so was not hurt, thank God!  I was the only one able to stand, so got out and went for help.  I believe I am on my way for England but don’t know.  I must look funny.  I was hit in the face and you can only see one eye and enough of my mouth to put a ‘fag’ in.  The nurses are very good to me, and the doctor, a Leamington man (Dr. Gibbons Ward, Medical Officer of Health for Leamington) is one of the best.  I am on a barge on a canal on the way to the coast.  Chattaway, it is believed, is seriously hurt.”

My first feelings, apart from ‘that’s MY Herbert Charles Collingbourne he’s talking about’  was the awful euphemism of the phrase ‘played havoc’ and a gentle, almost tearful, smile that Gunner Croydon was making light of the injuries to his face to spare his family. 

I scrolled a few pages on and there I found 4  pictures with the title ‘Coventry Men Concerrned in this Week’s News’ .  I could hardly move when I saw the picture below (hope the picture works! if not I'll stick it on my least I can work that out!)

Off I rush to swap to a film reader that you can print from (and ready to have a stand up fight if there wasn’t one free).  Thankfully the library staff are very clearly used to this kind of thing and didn’t even hesitate at my nervous (borderline incoherent)  insistence that I NEEDED to print something!

I know you have probably all had this kind of experience and I am more than happy to imagine I’m posting this for the decendents of Fletcher, Short, Wiliday, Collingbourne, Barklett, Chattaway, Traherne, Croydon and Phillips, in case they are looking, but really I suspect it is just to remember Bert. 

Can you miss someone who died 50 years before you were born?

Sorry for the ridiculously long post but something touched me across the years and I wanted to share it.

Best wishes


Can anyone find the following on the 1951 and if possible the 1941 census

Thomas LANCASTER c1817 born Broughton in Furness  Iron Ore Miner
Isabella LANCASTER (nee WALKER) c1816 born Seathwaite Lancashire

hopefully on the '51 there should be at least one son
Thomas LANCASTER c1844 born Broughton

I would very much like to find any other children - in 1881 there are John LANCASTER c1852 and William LANCASTER c1855 both born in Dalton, Lancashire.  I should think there are other children inbetween these. 

I think there may be Joseph and Sarah - but these are a cross between an educated guess and a hunch at the moment.

Any help would be very much appreciated

Many, many thanks


Lancashire Completed Lookup Requests / 1851 census - Nicholas COMPLETED
« on: Saturday 23 July 05 20:05 BST (UK)  »
I would very much appreciate it if anyone could find the following family in Dalton on the 1951 census:

Samuel Nicholas (1823) born in Camborne, Cornwall
Eleanor Nicholas (nee Harrison) (1825) born in Tunstall?, Lancashire

their children
Elizabeth Ann (1846) b. Pennington
William Henry (1847) b. Dalton
Mary (1849) b. Dalton

They had at least 7 other children but these are the only ones born before 1851.  Samuel and Eleanor married 1845 in Warton.  Samuel would have been a miner, he became a Mine Overlooker then Mine Agent.

If possible I would like to know if they are on the 1841 census for Lancashire also as I hope to find out roughly when Samuel came to Lancashire and if he left Cornwall with his father Benjamin Nicholas (b1792) and wife Elizabeth ?.

Many thanks


Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / 1891 Census MILNES
« on: Monday 18 July 05 20:42 BST (UK)  »
I would be very grateful if someone could look up Joseph (Joe) MILNES. 

From his marriage certificate (married 1st January 1898) he was born in 1876 and was living at 44 James Street, Horton at the time of the wedding.  Unfortunately there is no father listed and so any help with this 'brick wall' would be appreciated.

Thank you.


Isle of Man Lookup Requests / SAYLE pre 1881 census
« on: Wednesday 13 July 05 22:41 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for any information about the following.

James Sayle born c1848.  Father = John Sayle - Shoemaker

In October 1880 James married Elizabeth Margaret Cowley (Her father was Thomas Cowley - a miner)   

She was previously married to William Cowin (married c1866). 
Their children are listed (mistranscribed?) in 1881 as:
William CAWE 13
Robert H. CAWE 9    
Emily CAWE 8
Urenia CAWE 5

Any information from previous censuses for James Sayle or Elizabeth Margaret Cowley/Cowin would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks


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