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I was looking through Etsy for things I don't need to buy, when I came across this painting.

To my totally inexpert eye, it looks like an amateur piece. It's named, but unfortunately that part is badly damaged. It's something like Elizabeth E*ton and then gives the years she was born and died.

I don't know if it's from the UK, the person currently selling it is in the UK.

Thought there was a slight chance this might be of interest to someone who sees this website.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Tellow or Tetlow, also what is the extra word?
« on: Thursday 23 September 21 23:40 BST (UK)  »

I am looking at a marriage record for the 11 May 1708 for John Pickles and Susan Somebody. It's either Tellow or Tetlow, but I'm not sure.

Also, what is the word at the end of the line? The one that looks a bit like nozzle?

Thank you

Technical Help / Better Google Search Skills - Make Google work for you!
« on: Saturday 04 September 21 15:52 BST (UK)  »
On Twitter recently I saw a thread by a man called Chris Hladczuk (Twitter handle @chrishlad) and it had loads of information about how to use Google more effectively. I learnt a lot, and I thought it would be useful if I shared it here with you all, as I think these could be highly useful when doing research online.

I've changed the wording a little to make it Rootschat friendly and to see how it can be applied to our research, and tried to add advice on how to form particular characters on your keyboard.

Quotation Marks 

Put quotes around search terms to let you search exactly for that word. All your results will have that search term in it.

Example "Rope maker"

This gives you all 'rope maker' search results, but not results that just say 'rope' or 'maker' separately.
How to form on your device:

Mac = Press and hold down shift key and then press " key
Windows = Press and hold down shift key and then press " key


If you want to exclude a term from your search, include a hyphen before that word.



You just want to search about Rhinos the animal, not Leeds Rhinos the rugby team.

How to form on your device:

Mac = Press - key
Windows = Press - key


The little squiggly looking dash.

Use when you want synonyms to appear in your results


agricultural~labourer  This will give you agricultural labourer, but also agricultural worker and so on.

How to form on your device:

Mac = Hold down alt or option key and press N key
Windows = Hold down shift and the ~ key


Use this when you want to search inside one specific website only.



This would bring up all the pages on Rootschat that mention Leeds, but nothing from other websites.

How to form on your device:

Mac = Hold down alt or option key and press : key
Windows = Hold down shift key and press : key

Full stops

Use this to search between two number ranges.


Shipwrecks near Whitby 1840..1860 

This would bring up results that include dates from within that period.

How to form on your computer.

Mac = Press the full stop key twice in succession
Windows = Press the full stop key twice in succession


Adding a colon to the end of the word 'Location' brings up news or pages related specifically to that location.


Mary Smith location:leeds  would bring up results specific to Mary Smith in Leeds.

How to form on your computer.

Mac = Hold down alt or option key and press : key
Windows = Hold down shift key and press : key


Adding a colon to the end of the word 'filetype' allows you to search for a specific type of file. Useful if you remember once seeing something in PDF form or something like that.


Leeds dock workers filetype:pdf

How to form on your computer

Mac = Hold down alt or option key and press : key
Windows = Hold down shift key and press : key

The Common Room / Statistics about child mortality
« on: Thursday 01 July 21 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to find statistics about child mortality and, on average, how many children a family lost. I have one family who lost 7 of their ten children, which seems high compared to the other families I am looking at in this region (Sunderland).

I've used Populations Past and I've managed to find the infant mortality rate, but that is spread across groups of a 1000 people and doesn't seem to look at individual families.

Does anyone know if that information is out there?

The Common Room / Rules about paupers, poor relief and where they had to go.
« on: Wednesday 30 June 21 23:46 BST (UK)  »
I have only a very basic grasp of the rules around poor relief. I do know that sometimes people were moved back to their parish or origin if they were getting poor relief.

If a person was recorded as 'pauper' on their census return, did that mean they were getting poor relief or was it just a general term?

I'm looking at an ancestor who was a widow in 1851 with several young children. She is living in Kippax in 1851, but as far as I am aware she has no connection to the area. It wasn't where she or her husband were born, none of her children were born there and it wasn't where they were living when her husband died.

My only clue that might explain why she was there, is that it was reported in the newspapers that her husband died in a cholera epidemic so maybe the family were moved there because of that. That doesn't seem particularly likely to me though.

Does it maybe mean that she was just really poor with no fixed profession?

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Pigeon Cote House, Kippax approx 1851
« on: Wednesday 30 June 21 23:28 BST (UK)  »

I'm trying to find where a property called Pigeon Cote House was in 1851, in Kippax.

I've had no luck so far with old maps or newspaper reports.

The places recorded near it in the census appear to be Hill Tops, Bowe Mill and Dock House.

I don't think Pigeon Cote House was a huge place, only three fairly small families were living there. It might even have been an alms house of some sort, as my relative was a widow with young children.

Thank you

I'm trying to find out what happened to a boat that an ancestor of mine died on, sometimes in 1873.

The Register of Accounts and Wages of Dead Seaman says that Charles Grayton died on the 'St Helen's' official number 65621. It says that the death occurred 'about' the 29th November 1873.

There were at least 17 people on the boat who died.

Frustratingly, I can't find any details about this incident. Not in the newspapers or other records. (I think it's partly because St Helen's sends up various results to do with the port there).

The fact that the deaths are recorded as 'about' the 29th November 1873, makes me think that the incident whatever it was happened at sea without witnesses and the date of the incident is just presumed.

I'd be grateful if anyone can find any information.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Completed. Occupation at sea
« on: Wednesday 30 June 21 22:12 BST (UK)  »

I'm trying to find out what Charles Grayton (sometimes written as Graydon) was doing at sea as an 18 year old in 1861.

Piece 3778 Folio 39 Page number 24

I think it's mariner something sea. I just don't understand what the something is.

Thank you.

I'm looking again at a copy of a marriage certificate I have received for a Joseph Stuart and Elizabeth Grayton who married in 1890, on the 25th February at a Register office in Sunderland.

Joseph's father was also called Joseph.

Over both of the Joseph's names, there is a slight crossing out (an upwards stroke over just one letter) and a number added.

Joseph the son has a crossing out over his surname and the number '33' added.

Joseph the father has a crossing out over both names. Over his forename, the number 8 has been added and over his surname the number 24 has been added.

I've tried looking online for answers to no avail.

There is also this text added in the margin, which I can't really read. It looks like it might be 25th, which would make sense because of the date of the marriage, but I still don't really understand the information. It might be the initials of the registrar who as a Robert Scott Derby.

Thank you

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