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hi there, i m getting myself all mixed up and i dont want to be wasting my time going down the wrong line, like i ve done so many times before so i thought i d ask on here, fresh eyes etc

i ll start from fact, my great x 2 nan mary verling was born in 1836 in cobh to parents william verling and abigail keefe, i have her birth cert and marriage cert with her fathers name on, saying he s a waterman by trade, they were catholic, stephen pilcher her husband changed to be a catholic before they married, he was from kent and in the navy

for one i m unsure what waterman actually means, does it just mean fisherman or something else, they married in 1858, in uk it would say fisherman if that was the case, but not sure about ireland ?

i cant find actual proof who william verlings parents where but i put them in as john verling and mary hogan, they where from castlelyons, but all williams records are from cobh, i do have a death in 1885 cork says he was 86 so born about 1799, but it does nt say what part of cork on it ?

now i have had my DNA done and i ve been given a match that says 4 th cousin with a margaret kent and ancestry says the link is from john verling the man i have as father to my william and ellen verling, who i did nt even have in my tree as a sister to my william, so i looked her up and she does exist but can only find a marriage cert in 1831 castlelyons but to a james kent, they had a lot of sons who were involved in Sinn Féin 2 of the sons died one was exectuted, so theres a lot of interesting history about this family and a lot of documents etc uploaded on ancestry, but i am no DNA match to any of the people who ve linked themselves to it and this margaret kent only has s people in her tree and has nt been on for a year so not much chance of getting in contact with her, we do have a shared match but again they only have a handful of members in her tree too, so for one i dont understand how ancestry can say we re related through john and ellen verling when both these people basically have no trees ?

i have put all this branch in my tree because they do fit but dont understand why i have no connection to all the other people who have them in their tree ??, i ll leave it there for now as i m terrible for going off point and confusing myself and everybody else, thanks for reading

hi i m trying to find the birth of my great x 4 grandfather william verling, he married in cobh in 1833 to abbey keefe and they had children there one being my great x 3 nan mary verling born 1836 cobh, she married stephen pilcher, on the original marriage cert which i ve got she says her father is william verling and he s a waterman by trade,i also have her birth record that has her parents names, same, cobh, i can find plenty of births for verlings from castlelyons round the later 1700 s to early 1800 s, such as richard, bartholomew, garret, john, patrick and a good few more, but i can find no william , i ve been on rootsireland but can find no birth or death for him .... i know the verlings i ve mentioned above were quite well to do, so i m not saying my william is related to them, i ve fell for that before on another line of my tree lol, but i was told on the website coastguards of yesteryear that there were only a few verling families in cobh, castlelyon area and all naval, ,thomas, garrett,patrick, john, edward, matthew and richard all born between 1780 to 1820, which would be from when he was born, any help or pointers most welcome, i should point out that stephen pilcher and his father also stephen were both coastguards after being in the navy in cork and waterford, thanks cathie

hi could someone please look at this and tell me what you think

its march 29 th 1885, pilcher,( then what looks like to me ) mon &liddy ( not twins) buried s & d thom & liddy
  eleanor

on the transcripton at the bottom, done by ancestry it says that the "mon" is william ??, looks nothing like william to me, im only so bothered because i had the william pilcher born ickham to thomas pilcher and eleanor dines 12 july 1778 as my maybe grandfather who had a son with mary petley born same year and place, but if ancestrys transcription is correct then that cant be ??

any thoughts most welcome

hi all

i ve just had my DNA results and it states that im 59%irish but it has highlighted in brackets (munster) , 36% english (southern ) in brackets highlighted and 5% french

even though i have pointers for other places in uk and ireland they re not down on my actual list, the reason im confused by this is because basically thats all my nan on my mums side tree, basically my great grand parents on my mums maternal line

but i thought you had half each from each parent ??, my dads side are lancashire/liverpool and most before that ireland, but much further up north not munster

my nans mum was from cork and all her family before her and cork is munster, my nans dad though born in ireland was only half irish, his mum full irish and from cork and way back, but his dad was originally from kent and i have a massive famtree of all the kent line on ancestry, branching out to 1400 s for sure, then further back to the norman invasion, tenuious  though it is, but that will be the 5% french

so as you see it all fits in with my nan s line, but not with any other, just to recap, i ve copied this next bit

reland and Scotland59%
Munster, Ireland *
England, Wales & Northwestern Europe36%
Southern England*
France5%

has anyone got any ideas on this, thanks in advance, ps, no other line in my tree has any other connections with southern england

hi im back yet again, i did post this on another board but got no replies, it s not so much a look up, rather an opinion on the info below, pleazzzzzzz

new problem to solve, i have on my family tree mary sackett b 1567 d 1601 who married stephen tomlin b  1561 d 1605

i have as her brother john sackett yeoman b 1564 d 1623, i dont have an actual birth rec for mary but i do have one for john, from ancestry, it says
    John Sackett
    Male
    22 Oct 1564
    St. Lawrence, Kent, England
Father    William Sackett
FHL Film Number    1850279

but i ve found this sackett websit
 https://sackettfamily.info/danecourt.htm
and on it it has this info from inscription in the church

VI. SACKETT, TOMLIN AND BELSEY MEMORIALS

1. To John Sackett, died 1623/24.
St. Peter's, on a pillar, south arcade.
Brass inscription (approx. 1' 6" x 5¼); though now mural, apparently once on a tombstone in view of 'Here lyeth interred the corps of John Sackett'. He 'yelded his spirit into his Saviour's hands' 24 February 1623, aged 59.
Son of John Sackett of Sackett's Hill; brother of Mary, who married Stephen Tomlin (died 1605).

so the above are my family but father is john sackett of sackett hill not william sackett like it says on ancestry (both johns, the one from ancestry with william as father, and from plaque in church with john sackett as father, were both born in 1564 ?? )

i ve just found this on a birth list of the above site

Baptisms Register, St Lawrence the Martyr, Thanet, Kent, Society of Genealogists, "22 October 1564 John s. William Sackett."
this is probs the one i ve got from ancestry, but theres no john sackett born to john sackett same year on the list ??

and now im even more confused because it says this ( on sackett website)
May 1592, John Saket, husbandman, of Sackett's Hill, St Peter in Thanet, Kent (son of Richard Saket the younger and Crystian ___.)
Will of John Sackett of Sackett's Hill, St Peter in Thanet, Kent, 1 March 1590, proved in the Canterbury Archdeaconry Court, May 1592 (Kent Archives Office, PRC 17-48-410). (Researched by Michael Callé).

JOHN SACKET     
Dated 1 Mar 1590          Proved xx May 1592                    [Abstract by Michael Callé]
Husbandman, of Sackett’s Hill, St. Peter in Thanet

Wife = Margaret
Son = Thomas
Dau = Joyce, Katherine, Judith, Eve
Will bequeaths his farm in the parishes of St. Peter & St John in Thanet to his joint executors, Katherine, Judith & Eve Sackett, & charges them with the maintenance of Thomas and Joyce.


no mention of john 1564 or mary 1567, untill i found this

John Saket, husbandman of Sackett's Hill, St Peter in Thanet, Kent, was probably the son of Richard Saket the younger and Crystian ___ and if so, was born, presumably in St Peter in ThanetG, after 1533. These assumptions are based on the 1545 will of Richard Sackett the younger, who owned a tenement at Sackett's Hill and who named as beneficiaries his children John and Margery, both of whom were less than twelve at that date. John Saket of Sackett's Hill was buried at St Peter's ChurchG, on 8 April 1592.1 He married in say 1555, Margaret ___. She was buried at St Peter's ChurchG, on 19 December 1596.2
     John was named as a beneficiary in his father's will made in St Peter in ThanetG, on 9 April 1545.3 John, who was under twelve years of age when his father died, was to receive ten sheep and a cow when he attained that age and was to receive a horse, cart and plough, and wheat and barley at twenty-one.
     John made his will on 1 March 1590 at Sackett's Hill, St Peter in Thanet, KentG. Named as beneficiaries were his wife Margaret; his son Thomas; and his daughters Joyce, Katherine, Judith and Eve.4 He left his farm in the parishes of St Peter and St John in Thanet to his daughters, Katherine, Judith, and Eve, who were also appointed joint executors. Two of John's and Margaret's children, John and Mary, had died young. Of the remaining five, Katherine, Judith and Eve were charged with the maintenance of Thomas and Joyce. It is assumed that Thomas (for whom a birth record has not been found) was under age in 1590 but Joyce would have been nearly 29. As she was to be cared for by her sisters, it would appear that she was sickly by this date. She died at about the same time as her mother in December 1596. The will was proved in the Archdeaconry Court, Canterbury, KentG, in May 1592.4

it also says that
John Sackett b. say 1560, d. Mar 1575/76
Mary Sackett b. say 1560, d. Apr 1581

but the plaque states earlier

Brass inscription (approx. 1' 6" x 5¼); though now mural, apparently once on a tombstone in view of 'Here lyeth interred the corps of John Sackett'. He 'yelded his spirit into his Saviour's hands' 24 February 1623, aged 59.
Son of John Sackett of Sackett's Hill; brother of Mary, who married Stephen Tomlin (died 1605)

so if anyone can make any sense out of this for me without getting a headache i d be surprised lol