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  Hi,

I'm looking for a trace of the birth of Jesse Howard in Glossop Derbyshire in about 1833, which for some reason seems to be missing from the Free BMD and LDS sites.  I wonder if anyone can help with advice on why it might be missing or indeed may be able to fill in this blank for me.

Jesse Howard is the first child of the family of which Joe Howard is our ancestor.  Joe Howard emigrated to Castlemaine in Victoria Australia and married Rachel Maxwell.  Together they moved from the gold rush in Australia to the one in New Zealand in the late 1860s and despite never having children, left quite a legacy with traces of Joe standing up for the rights of the Chinese gold prospectors and running a large Hotel/gold assaying and stables.

Here are the details for Jesse, that I am aware of:

Parents of Jesse Howard
Groom's Name   Thomas Howard  Bride’s Name  Susannah Haigh
Marriage Date   01 Dec 1833  Marriage Place   Collegiate Church, Manchester Lancashire,

CHILDREN
i.Birth of Howard Jesse – not found
ii.   Birth Year: 1839   Howard Ann Hayfield Derbyshire Register Office Num: 395 Reference: HB/02/042
iii.   Births Mar 1838   Howard  Mary    Hayfield  19 434
iv.   Births Sep 1840    Howard  William    Hayfield &c  19 484
v.   Births Dec 1842   Howard  Maria Elizabeth    Hayfield  19 462
vi.   Births Sep 1844  Howard  Walter    Hayfield  19 532
vii.   Births Jun 1846  Howard Sarah Jane     Hayfield  19 638

1841 Census
HOWARD, Thomas   M   30   Manager   Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann   F   34         
HOWARD, Jessey   M   8   Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann   F   5   Derbyshire
HOWARD, Mary   F   3 Derbyshire
HOWARD, William   M   1      Derbyshire
Primrose Bole, Glossop, Simmondley

1851
HOWARD, Thomas   Head 39 House Proprieter    b Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann   Wife   42   b Denby  Yorkshire
 HOWARD, Jesse   Son   Unmarried 18   Cotton Spinner    b Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Joe   Son   Unmarried 16   Paper Stainer b   Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann   Daughter   14   Cotton Winder    b Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Mary   Daughter   13Servant b Glossop  Derbyshire
 HOWARD, William   Son   10   Scholar   b Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Mariah   Daughter 8 Scholar   b Glossop  Derbyshire
 HOWARD, Walton   Son      6Scholar   Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Sarah Jam Daughter      4 Scholar   b Glossop  Derbyshire
76 Primrose Lane, Whitfield

1861
HOWARD, Thomas   Head 49   Farmer Of 12 Acres   b Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Susannah Wife    53    b Furzton  Yorkshire
HOWARD, Ann   Daughter   23   Cotton Warper    b Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, William   Son   20   Warehouseman   Glossop  Derbyshire
HOWARD, Walter   Son   16   Dyer   Glossop  b Derbyshire
HOWARD, Sarah A   Daughter   14   b Glossop  Derbyshire
217 Primrose Lane, Whitfield, Glossop

1871
HOWARD, Thomas   Head   58      Farmer Of 12 Acres   Derbyshire   
HOWARD, Susanah   Wife      60   Farmer’s Wife   Yorkshire   
HOWARD, Jesse   Son   32   Visitor   Derbyshire   
HOWARD, Sarah J   Daughter   23   Farmer’s Daughter (Marr.)   Derbyshire   
                        
43 Primrose Lane, Glossop
*** Son William and wife Sarah and daughter Bessie are living at 41 Primrose Lane (next door)

1881
HOWARD, Thomas   Head M   69 Farmer (Of 12 Acres)   Glossop  Derbyshire   
HOWARD, Susannah   Wife   73         Penistone Yorkshire   
HOWARD, Bessie Ad   GrandDaughter   Single 10   Scholar   b Glossop  Derbyshire   
43, Primrose Lane, Glossop  Dale
 *** Bessie Adelaide is William and Sarah Howard’s daughter.

Deaths Mar 1885   Howard  Thomas  74  Hayfield  7b 493   
Deaths Sep 1886  Howard  Thomas  74  Hayfield  7b 455
Deaths Jun 1890  Howard  Susan  82  Hayfield  7b 455

Family of Jesse Howard:
Marriages Dec 1875  HOWARD     Jesse        Birkenhead  8a 765
    OLDFIELD     Mary Ellen        Birkenhead  8a 765
Births Jun 1849   Oldfield     Mary Ellen        Wirrall  19 382
Births Dec 1876   (Howard     William Jesse E        Birkenhead  8a 501
Births Mar 1878   Howard   Clarence George O       Birkenhead  8a 530
Births Mar 1879  Howard     Minnie Haigh       Birkenhead  8a 545
Births Dec 1880   Howard     Albert Ernest W        Birkenhead  8a 468
Births Mar 1882     Howard     Amy Sybil        Birkenhead  8a 524

Any help to find this birth in either Glossop, Whitfield, Hayfield, would be fantastic.

Many thanks,

Kirsten

 

Hi,

it has been a few years since I last went wandering down this line of investigation when I came across a double marriage entry, which I have now clarified for our Peel line:

Robert Hudson Jago b: 1880 South Shields, Durham d: 1954 South Shields
m: 29 September 1906
Sarah Jane Younger Preston
Children:  Robert 1906, Helen Preston 1907, Mary Elizabeth 1908, Jenny Kelly Preston 1910 and Robert Hudson 1915.

Robert H Jago's parents:
Robert Richardson Jago b: 1844 South Shields d: 1905 South Shields
m: 27 August 1870
Elizabeth Fry Hudson b: 1851 South Shields d: 1927 South Shields
(parents: possibly Robert Hudson and Ann Fry)
Children:  Robert Hudson 1880, Joseph 1881, Ann Hudson 1883 and Mary 1885.

Sarah Jane Younger Preston's past is a mystery.  But I can confirm that of the two marriage entries for Robert Hudson Jago that this is the correct wife from the memory of living grand nephew and niece.

I would like to know:

a)  Where Robert Snr and Jnr were 1901 and prior; and
b)  If we can find any trace of who Sarah Jane Younger Preston and Elizabeth Fry Hudson were.

Many thanks in advance,

Kirsten
Netherlands

Hi,

It is amazing what becomes available online if you leave it a couple of years.

I have been on the search for the elusive Siegmund Oppenheim and have found that he was linked to a Julius Lowenthal in business in Manchester.

In 1848 Julius is in Huddersfield York:

Gazette Issue 20824 published on the 11 February 1848. Page 27 of 48

NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between us the undersigned,
Heymann Engel and Louis Lowenthal, both of Hamburg, and Julius Lowenthal, of Huddersfield, in ihe county of York, as Woolstaplers, under the firm of H. Engel and Co., has been this day dissolved, so far a* regards the said Julius
Lowenthal, who retires therefrom.
Dated this 27th day of January 1848. Heymann Engel.
Louis Lowenthal.
Julius Lowenthal.

He then shows up having disolved another business:

THE LONDON GAZETTE, JANUARY 13, I860

NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned, as African Merchants, carrying on business in the city of Manchester, under the firm of Julius Lowenthal and Company, was dissolved on the 1st day of November last, by mutual consent.  All debts due to and owing by the said late firm will be received and paid by the undersigned Hermann Seligmann, and Meir Jacob Haarbleicher.- Witness our hands the 10th day of January, 1860.
Hermann Seligmann.
M. J. Haarbleicher.
Julius Lowenthal.

This trade of African Merchant is the same as my Siegmund Oppenheim at the same time.

He then turns up in the National Archives records have been naturalised and denizised (term?):

Naturalisation Papers: Lowenthal, Julius, from Hanover. Certificate 3138 issued 23 January 1860.

*** there is also aDenization and naturalisation record for a Julius Lowenthal from Mecklenberg Schewin (same birthplace as Siegmund's wife Adele - coincidence? in 1858 and I wonder if this could be the same person listing his birthplace as different places?

Naturalisation Papers: Lowenthal, Julius, from Mecklenburg-Schwerin. Certificate 2600 issued 12 February 1858

He then turns up on the census in the same street that Siegmund Oppenheim lived and was in business under the same trade of Shipping Merchant:

1861
Chorlton Medlock
Ecclesiastical Parish: Christ Church
Folio: 53 Page: 9 Schedule: 44
Address: 264 Oxford St
LOWENTHAL   Julius   Lodger   U   M   29   Shipping Merchant    Overseas - Foreign - Germany Hanover
LOWENTHAL E Lodger U M 26 General Agent Overseas - Foreign - Hanover

He is also on the Manchester Exchange at the same time as Siegmund:

Slater's Directory of Manchester and Salford, 1863
Members of the exchange
Lowenthal, Julius, Cross Street

We then have the dissolution of their business:

THE LONDON GAZETTE, SEPTEMBER 9, 1864

NOTICE is hereby given,that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between the undersigned, carrying
on business at Manchester, in the county of Lancaster, as Commission Merchants, under the firm of Oppenheim and Lowenthal, was this day dissolved by mutual consent.-
Dated this 23rd day of May, 1864.
Siegmund Oppenheim.
Julius Lowenthal.

At this time Siegmund does the denization and naturalisation process and in 1881, he is on the census for Lancashire living with his wife and four children. His wife is listed as Adele (born about 1851 Schwerin Mecklenburg).

I am trying to establish the following:

a) Where Julius Lowenthal was prior to 1861 on the census returns;
b)  Who E Lowenthal is that was living with him in 1861;
c)  Whether there is a chance that Adele who married Siegmund Oppenheim, could have been Adele Lowenthal.  I have no record of the marriage of Siegmund to Adele but their first child was born in Chorlton Medlock in 1872 and the couple remained in Manchester the rest of their natural lives; and
d) What became of Julius, ie. who he married, who his children were etc.

Many thanks in advance,

Kirsten Beach
many thanks to:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
www.gazettes-online.co.uk
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/
www.historicaldirectories.org

 

Hi,

I'm hoping someone can give me a clue as to what rank and regiment our great grandfather may have been in.  The photo dates from WWI and we are guessing it is infantry and British although we cannot find any trace of service records for him from www.pro.gov.uk.

Any help to solve the mystery of his uniform would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Kirsten

Hi all,

I'm searching for any information about the Allen-Jones family who lived somewhere called Little Bursteads, Little Hallingbury, Bishops Stortford.

If anyone can help me with any knowledge of this family or of the location I would be eternally grateful.

The story begins with our Mathilde (Milly) Oppenheim marrying the Rev. J Allen Jones in 1908.

They had a son (JE) who married at St. Mary's Sawbridgeworth in 1937.  JE and Margaret Allen-Jones had one son and two daughters.

J E Allen-Jones was in the RAF and earnt the titles Vice Air Marshall and a CBE. 

Kind regards
Kirsten
Netherlands