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Fife / Patrick in Elie, Fife
« on: Thursday 03 December 15 23:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi folks, I'm wondering if any of you have come  across an Elie family.
JOHN PATRICK & MARGARET DOWNIE m.3 Nov 1745 in Elie, Fife
Their kids:
JOHN PATRICK             x.14 Sep 1746 Newburn, FIF      IGI  C114514 
JAMES PATRICK             b.1 May 1748 x.May 1748 Elie, FIF   IGI C114272 
ANDREW PATRICK     b.27 Jun 1750 x.1 Jly 1750 Elie, FIF   IGI C114272 
WILLIAM PATRICK      b.5 Nov 1753 x.11 Nov 1753 Elie, FIF   IGI C114272 
MARGARET PATRICK     b.8 Oct 1755  x.12 Oct 1755 Elie,  FIF   IGI C114272 
JANET PATRICK             b.24 Dec 1757 x.25 Dec1757 Elie,  FIF   IGI C114272 

I'm particularly interested in the family's occupation plus the son WILLIAM
Who did he marry? 

There are two William Patricks born in 1753 and I suspect mine is one of them.  The other is born in Forgan Fife and could equally be him.  There is a temptation to link to them however, I really feel the need to make sure I'm making the right choice.  So far, data is somewhat thin on the ground.

Their kids:
DAVID PATRICK     x.25 NOV 1739 Forgan FIF   all C114312
MARY PATRICK            x.4 DEC 1743 Forgan
JAMES PATRICK     x.6 MAR 1748 Forgan    
JOHN PATRICK             x.18 FEB 1750 Forgan
WILLIAM PATRICK    x.10 Jan 1753 Forgan FIF   chr. after his dad's death.

Some researchers have adopted the latter William for the marriage I have in mind, but present no reasoned argument for their choice.  I'd just like to make sure.  It's not a particularly popular choice of forename amongst the Patricks it seems and for that i should be thankful. 

They don't appear to have followed the more common family naming system either!

Thank you for your time and trouble

Dorset / MI lookup in Portesham maybe Abbotsbury too
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:56 GMT (UK)  »
hullo folks, I'm wondering if any of you have access to MIs in Portesham, St Peter's church in the 17/1800s. 
The family name was HAYNE / HAIN or a variation on that theme.

Looks like it was just one extended family some of whom overflowed into Abbotsbury.  I can list names if anyone can help me.

thank you for your time and trouble


London and Middlesex / Tower Hamlets BMD indexes online
« on: Sunday 06 January 13 02:24 GMT (UK)  »
hi folks, a happy new year to you all and I hope you have a very successful wall crunching year ahead of you.
I know there is a item on the tower Hamlets BMD url in the archives. i came on it, but it isn't the type of message that can be answered.  There is no reply button, hence the new thread.

However, that message did reassure me that yes, i did indeed have the correct url for, the only problem is, it's dead!  doesn't work    :(
When you visit the url, this is the response:

 "This is the standard index of your website. You can easily delete it or replace it with another file. This is the index.html file in the web directory.
For questions or problems please contact the server administrator."
   ehm! :-\

However, there is no link to whoever the server admin is, so i could take it no further.   Anyone got any suggestions?  If they've changed their url, I'd like the new one please; if they don't know it is broken, how do we contact them to let them know?

cheers for now


Ireland / Family naming pattern?
« on: Sunday 06 May 12 12:00 BST (UK)  »
hi folks, i've a question.  I'm wondering if in Ireland there was a traditional naming pattern which families may have followed, more or less.  i appreciate it may have varied from area to area or between faiths, &c.  In Scotland, we had one, though it gradually faded over the last couple of hundred years, remaining more common in country areas.
I have Irish folk who settled in Scotland, and i just wondered if they were any more or less likely to have named first borns after grandparents.

any suggestions?

le durachd


Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / DNA - a useful supplementary tool
« on: Monday 23 January 12 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
hi folks, i have read with interest many of the Common Room posts relating to DNA testing not least the leading questions set by nickgc here: DNA Testing - Why Not,569443.0.html. however, i was surprised by the proportion of totally negative responses that got thrown up.  While i wouldn't suggest DNA testing as one's first choice, it can be a very useful tool in proving lines, illegitimate or otherwise.  The  responses, both negative and positive had grown to umpteen pages of posts so i thought it wise to start again afresh rather than post onto the tail end of one of the other threads.

Judging by the warm response to the subject, i suggest the rootschat team - great folk all - track down a willing and knowledgeable enthusiast to moderate a Rootschat DNA topic as a subject.  I for one would love some advice on this fascinating subject, one which is scarily scientific for us poor souls who have not been sufficiently well immersed in said science.   I think the negative responses are down to folks' misunderstanding as to all the possibilities that can come out of using DNA testing to boost one's family research. 

As a double birthday present, our younger son got the Y-DNA [to 67 markers - for dad] and the mt-DNA [for my personal interest :)] tests done and my brother, in the interests of my family research, kindly arranged for his to be tested.  Lucky me, i get both of mine + my husbands yDNA results :)  So far there have been no bites but we believe that will change for the better soon.   For instance, I am well and truly stuck at 1800 with my father's direct male line.  I've got superb documentary evidence back till then, however, we came unstuck then as my William says he's "of Surrey" in the 1841 census but admits to being born in Southampton Hants in the 1851.  Hm!  Well, i set to and i find various useful bits of info including, not least, a suitable christening record in the Southampton OPR - checked the very film to pick up any extra information not included in the IGI's; checked all the 1841 & 1851's to see if there was another William who could claim that birth [no, didn't appear to be]; checked all suitable Williams who may have been buried in the intervening time, none that i could find.  Found the 1829 Will of the supposed father in which he included a son William - but not where he was to be found.  Daingead!! 

so, to recap - verifyable papertrail
1] a William born in Southampton corresponding to 1851 census
2]  occupation.  my William a London cheesemonger, but having checked all the birthlines of all his known children we find he changed occupations between birth and death of his infant daughter Mary Ann, in 1828.  He started out a carpenter then became a cheesemonger - haven't discovered the whys and wherefores yet.  The Southampton parent and siblings were carpenters
3]  the possible father, James, mentions a son William in his will dated 1829, so, his son William was still alive then wherever he was.
4] no other William apparent competing for the 1800 birth or the Will
5] family names.  William has used many of the same names for his sons and daughters that this 'parents' and 'siblings' have used.

These are all worthwhile pieces of evidence and all with their related individual bits of paper, however, they remain circumstantial in relation to linking the two families.  Paperwork aplenty, but none making that all important direct link between these two Surrey & Hampshire families.  Checkmate!   

However, i recently heard from some descendants of a 'sibling' - a relationship we subsequently proved through thorough research.  And they are willing to go the DNA route.  Here is a case of DNA possibly answering a question which has been impossible up until now.  If the two match, we have family and common forebears.  There is still the possibility of illegitimacy or adoption clouding the horizon of course - that's always a consideration that should never be forgotten.  Without birth control, women were very vulnerable either from seduction, rape or the death of a potential marriage partner after she falls pregnant while in the expectation of marriage and of course adoption whether of an illegitimate grandchild or some other child subsequently given the family name.  This could simply be the adoption of a sibling's child on the death of said sibling. Still, it is a way to go, and gives us a genetic tool that others seeking relationships to the family under study can make use of.  Not for use instead of a paper trail, but to supplement or corroborate the evidence.

I believe my understanding of the DNA factor is right:
1] that my father's line [given that there was no intervening adoption or hanky-panky under the bedclothes] passes on to his male descendants, the same y-DNA haplogroup of all his foregoing paternal fathers

2] Mum passes on her mt-DNA haplogroup [not to be confused with the X chromosome.  The X doesn't come into it] to all her children - both sons and daughters.  The daughters pass it on to their female descendants.   Hoever, it is only passed on to her own sons, not her grandsons.  Because sons inherit their own mum's mt-DNA, their male descendents mt-DNA alters with each generation.  No doubt this can be put to use in tracking lines.  It may be one of those that are available now, I'm not sure.

Thank you for your time.  :)


Lancashire / Shipping lists / emigration list records advice sought
« on: Monday 06 June 11 11:56 BST (UK)  »
hi folks,
I'm researching a young relative who joined the crew of the CULZEAN CASTLE, a brand new 3-masted iron sailing ship which sailed from Liverpool, 25.5.1875, on her maiden voyage.  Bound for Melbourne, Australia, she was last sighted on 29.6.1875.  Though designed as a cargo ship, she was also carrying, as far as is known, 150 people of which abt. 60 were crew. 

She sank far from home with all on board lost.  Unfortunately, it appears her crew list is no longer extant.  I have tried National Maritime Museum who parted with a lot of marine archives but held the a number of decades' worth of crew lists for years ending in a 5.  Thought i was in luck mine being 1875, so did they, however, there was no record of the Culzean Castle's.  Presumably if a ship is lost on its outward journey it takes such documents with her. 

Although I have plenty of documentation and snippets on the ship itself + various newspaper clippings relating to the loss, both from British and Australian papers, I can find nothing further on the crew or passengers. 

Of the 150 on board, the only names to have been discovered are the captain's, MacAULEY, and my young sailor, Norman DAVIDSON.  I wonder how many folk are searching in vain for relatives who had the misfortune to set out on that ship.

Does anyone know if there is a resource in Liverpool that may hold information relating to ships, crews or emigration in 1875? 

Thanks for your time and trouble

le durachd


Kent / EDWARD PIPER, Lewicham KEN
« on: Monday 25 April 11 18:21 BST (UK)  »
hi folks, I have an
EDWARD PIPER, s of EDWARD, b.c.1760-70 poss. c.1766 unproven but most likely Amport HAM where his siblings were christened.

When he settled in Lewisham i don't know; his wife was ELIZABETH


I've found no death or burial for either of them but know he definitely d. betw. 1828-32 a Lewisham resident

I've no occupation for him but by 1828, he was living at: 
7 Ordnance Row, Lewisham KEN.  The property adjoined the Ordnance Arms and though it sounds from the will that he owned the Ordnance Arms, but it isn't absolutely clear that he did.  However, his brother was involved with Inns, so perhaps it was a family trade so to speak. 

His will was proven in 1 Feb 1832.  It would appear he either had no kids or none survived him as he makes no mention of any in his will.  He does however, mention various relatives incl. SARAH HUNTER a niece; niece & nephews JOHN, THOMAS & MARY WOOD; great nieces SARAH & HARRIOT HUNTER.

Does anyone have access to any burial records that would help out with the above couple?  Does anyone realte to them at all?

thanks for your time and trouble

le durachd


Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Fitzmaurice, ~morris, Bishops Waltham, HAM
« on: Monday 25 April 11 17:43 BST (UK)  »
hi folks, Anyone got any interest in the FITZMAURICE family of Bishops Waltham, HAM?  or any knowledge of Bishops Waltham marriages?

JANE chr. 29 April 1801  Bishops Waltham
JAMES WILLIAM b.c.1804 Ireland;  chr. unkn.
WILLIAM chr.7 May 1809 Bishops Waltham

I have their censuses for the best part, but have no idea of dad's origins or indeed what his occupation was. 

I found a possible marriage for EDWARD & MARTHA -  if she's is the right MARTHA. However, their marriage date postdates the daughter's christening by a year.  Happens of course, however, there's nothing to indicate in the parish record that Jane was illegitimate when she was christened. So, maybe I'm looking for another EDWARD=MARTHA marriage prior to April '01.
on MARTHA COLE'S side, her dad was called William which seems to have been popular with the family

Haven't found any more kids so maybe dad died early, certainly before the 1841 census, or, perhaps he worked away from home, at sea? accounting for his not being present in the 1841.  I haven't been able to find a death for him.

However, MARTHA was a widow when she died 27 Sept 1842 in London where she appears to have been living with a son suggesting she may well have been a widow by the 1841. 

Not a will in sight unfortunately  :-\

alternative spellings found to date for this family:
Fitz Maurice; Fitzmorris; Fitz Morris

thanks for your time and trouble

le durachd


Selkirkshire / MacMILLAN, Kirkhope gravestone enquiry
« on: Sunday 17 October 10 00:23 BST (UK)  »
Please, if some kind soul has a copy of the Kirkhope MIs, would they mind doing me a look-up.

There is apparently a MACMILLAN gravestone and I'd very much like to know who is/are slumbering under it.

Thank you for your time and trouble

le durachd


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