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The Common Room / Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
« on: Friday 02 July 21 09:01 BST (UK)  »
2 queries:

1) At a wedding if the bridesmaid(s) was/were reported in the newspaper as wearing a gold or silver bracelet or necklace, gift of the groom, would it be proper gold (or silver)?

2) If the mother of the bride or groom was wearing a fur coat, fur hat and crocodile accessories, would all those be real?  If just a fur-trimmed collar - what that be real fur?

I have tried google searching, but think I need pointing to a decent historical study of the rise and fall of furs, and wedding gifts, which probably exist but outside my normal searches.


Europe / Torleif Lund
« on: Tuesday 18 May 21 12:21 BST (UK)  »
Torleif Lund dies in Southampton in March qr. 1979, with a birth date of 21/11/1920. 

He should be the Marine Superintendent with Thoreson Car Ferries if he is the father of a Lund who marries in Southampton in 1969. She is described as his only daughter. Guests travel from Norway to attend.

Can anyone see a birth (or wedding) for him?


England / Miranda McGregor
« on: Wednesday 12 May 21 08:29 BST (UK)  »
Miranda McGregor is showing on 1939 in St Pancras with a birth of 13/12/1912, living in a boarding house/hotel/whatever, a single typist.
Her name is changed to Brown, and a date of birth of 18/12/1918, plus various notes.

There is a marriage for Miranda McGregor to Mr White in 1932, that I hope is not her, but could have been - depending on her birthdate.

I can see the marriage to Mr Brown in 1943 and then a rather late marriage to Mr Startup in 1960 using the Startup and McGregor surnames.   (There is a daughter who married under the Brown and Startup surnames, and was born as Brown mmn McGregor)

I cannot see a birth in Scotland.

Can anyone see a birth or death for her?

(Mr Startup dies in 1978, born 1908, his first wife died in 1944 - so she has plenty of time to marry again.)

Sorry - not got any of the marriage certificates

Other Countries / Argentina Uruguay
« on: Monday 19 April 21 14:37 BST (UK)  »
In 1901 Ethel (Flora) Bridger is in Finchley age 15, born Uruguay.  Birth is at Paysandu, with siblings also born there, easily found.
In 1911, after the UK census,  Mrs Ethel Plant with husband Rev. Thomas Plant and son Bede(born in Jarrow, mother:Thomas's first wife) and daughter Arminta/Aminta, return to UK.  They go out again at other times.

Rev Plant comes home from Argentina after 1st wife's death(in UK) in 1906, starts at a church in Norfolk, then goes out in August or September 1907 (16th according to newspaper article, from Southampton) to Buenos Aires, on the Magdalena.
My proposal is that Ethel and Thomas met on the boat out.  Maps show that Lomas de Namora (where Thomas's church, Holy Trinity, is, just south of Buenos Aires) and Paysandu (north along the Uruguay River) are about 300 km apart, with Buenos Aires and Montevideo being suitable ports.

They are on a few trees on Ancestry, with marriage place not found, but some state Uruguay.

Can anyone find either or both travelling out, or signs of a marriage anywhere. For preference I need the marriage.

Thanks for looking - I don't think I have missed anything obvious but am rather ignorant on South American countries. 

Europe / Pace family 'of Malta'
« on: Tuesday 16 March 21 09:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have a Lawrence Pace marrying in Hampshire in 1951 and dying in 1989, birth 27/08/1927 - so not born in Hampshire, or England.  One of his children was given the name Emanwela Pauline Rosita Pace, the other's first name looks traditionally English.

Lawrence's parents are Mr & Mrs Paul Pace 'of Malta'.

I have been using this site, from another rootschatter, but nothing this time that I can see:

Any other suggestions, his birth, anything about his parents.

I was first thinking from a military family, born anywhere, and then served in WW2 and married thereafter, but if that birth date is accurate, too young. 
Next idea, visiting relatives as there are Pace families in the area, but there are in most areas, whilst doing military service after war, or not.
Father Paul could be Paulo, and he could have been Laurence...

Thanks for any input.

Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Lilian Elizabeth Melita Bell
« on: Wednesday 10 March 21 12:22 GMT (UK)  »
I have a newspaper report of Lilian Elizabeth Melita Bell marrying Mr Diaper in 1951.  She dies as Lilian Elizabeth Melita Diaper in 2002 in Winchester, born 17/08/1929.
Her parents are named in the newspaper report as Mr & Mrs James Bell.

Lilian G B Draper marries Mr Luke in 1919, then, after his death, marries James W C Bell in 1923.
They appear to have 4 sons from freebmd, one born Southampton, James in 1924, one born in Alverstoke, Reginald in 1926. Then 2 more sons born Southampton (1934 and 1937).
On the 1939 the father is away, Lilian G B Bell(1897) with James and Reginald showing,  then 3 redacted entries., then Harry Draper, father-in-law. 

On the newspaper report she is referred to as the Bell's only daughter, so she is probably hiding under the thick black line with the 2 presumed living brothers.

Can anyone find a birth for her, please?

The Common Room / Lost a Post
« on: Thursday 07 January 21 10:34 GMT (UK)  »
I was working on a post at the end of 2020 and within the thread the name of a lady came up as Joan Iris Head born 1919.  The name of Pike is also connected.
I cannot find it on searching Joan Iris Head in the search box.
I tried searching on another 3 name person and found them immediately.
What am I doing wrong? 

As an irrelevant comment, I have sometimes got to interesting rootschat threads just by putting the name into Google.  Mr Google supplied me with articles about the sex life of an 81 year old pensioner - is that a reference to my search history?? ;)

Tyrone / Addresses at marriage
« on: Monday 12 October 20 22:28 BST (UK)  »
William Warling married Sarah Kyle in December 1881 in Edenderry.

I am sitting here with maps and lists and place names, but to no avail.  Can anyone work out where they both were living at time of marriage?

The Common Room / Northern Ireland Adoption Children register
« on: Thursday 01 October 20 22:42 BST (UK)  »
I have a Certified copy of an entry in the Adopted children register, under the Northern Ireland 1950 act.  Arrived today by post.

The person's claimed birth date (daughter's information) has always been the 28/07/1926.

Under the date birth of child heading it says, Seventh July 1947  (Column 2)

Under date of adoption order and description of court by which made it says 28/07/1926 (Column 6)

Under date of entry it says 30/06/1947 County Court, County of Tyrone... (Column 7)

In addition (column 5) Name of adopter has the mother as a widow, which happened in 1931

It certifies it is a true copy etc etc

I intend to phone tomorrow to find out what is going on, unless anyone can say why it appears to be completely topsy-turvey but that is how it is done.

I attempted to find a sample online filled-in example, but could not get anything.

Is the fact that the person was 21 in 1947 of any relevance.

In addition, in the column for name and surname of child, it just has their first 2 names, though that second name is commonly used as a surname (James).

Any suggestions gratefully received.

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