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Glamorganshire / Orphan William Allen
« on: Tuesday 23 March 21 18:33 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyway can get me out of a mind fog as I seem to be going round in circles looking for my husband's Gt. Grandfather William Allen. On the 39 Register he gives his d.of b. as 21.7.1862 where he is living with his married daughter Gladys Griffith in Swansea. I cannot find any BMD that fits if I take a Glamorgan registration District. Fortunately I was able to find his marriage to Ann Davies 28.12.1883 in Llangafelach where he states he is 22 (one would assume he'd had his birthday that year which then puts it at 1861) and here I then see that there is no father on the marriage certificate.
Trawling Ancestry I come upon Poor Law documents for 1872 and 1873 in the Hamlet of Mawr which I know covers Llangafelach and William Allen is an orphan aged 11 and 12 respectively (b.1861?) and subsequently find an 1871 Census: Mawr Higher, Glandulais, Llangafelach, John Thomas 28 Coal Miner, Mary Thomas 29 wife, William, 9 Foster Child. Fortunately this ties up as John Thomas is a witness at his wedding in 1883, unfortunately John Thomas doesn't put a place of birth. After his marriage I can follow all the 3 census where he swings mostly from being 28,39, living in Swansea then in 1911 he changes 48 to 49 and has moved to Ammanford. Also his places of birth vary too!
Am I assuming too much that his birth is in Glamorgan? Having trawled the BMD for any births anywhere in a July-September quarter 1860,61 and 62 nothing seems to fit. I am running out of options as to where to carry on my search plus being slightly hampered by the Welsh place names! My assumption is that sometime after his birth, possibly his mother died, making him an orphan taken into care as an "Outdoor Pauper" as the Poor Law register states, although the place stated as resident is Rhyd ??
I really would appreciate any help in trying to find him because until I do I cannot progress in my research any further. Many thanks.
Trawling Ancestry I come upon Poor Law documents for 1872 and 1873 in the Hamlet of Mawr which I know covers Llangafelach and William Allen is an orphan aged 11 and 12 respectively (b.1861?) and subsequently find an 1871 Census: Mawr Higher, Glandulais, Llangafelach, John Thomas 28 Coal Miner, Mary Thomas 29 wife, William, 9 Foster Child. Fortunately this ties up as John Thomas is a witness at his wedding in 1883, unfortunately John Thomas doesn't put a place of birth. After his marriage I can follow all the 3 census where he swings mostly from being 28,39, living in Swansea then in 1911 he changes 48 to 49 and has moved to Ammanford. Also his places of birth vary too!
Am I assuming too much that his birth is in Glamorgan? Having trawled the BMD for any births anywhere in a July-September quarter 1860,61 and 62 nothing seems to fit. I am running out of options as to where to carry on my search plus being slightly hampered by the Welsh place names! My assumption is that sometime after his birth, possibly his mother died, making him an orphan taken into care as an "Outdoor Pauper" as the Poor Law register states, although the place stated as resident is Rhyd ??
I really would appreciate any help in trying to find him because until I do I cannot progress in my research any further. Many thanks.