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United States of America / Consanguineous dispensations
« on: Saturday 20 April 24 14:04 BST (UK)  »
Personally, I haven't looked through many Catholic church records from the US, so I was hoping I could draw on the experience of others regarding dispensations in the US.

In the US, I have only ever seen notation in the marriage register which means that the bride and groom are first cousins, and this I have only encountered very rarely.

In the US, I haven't ever seen any notation that means that people were second or third cousins.  Or second or first cousins once removed.  Though, I have seen this sort of info very frequently in Ireland.

I am wondering if they basically didn't record these other categories in America other than first cousins.

I read recently that the only cousins that require a dispensation are first cousins, which surprised me greatly, as I have seen all these other notations in Ireland.

Can anyone confirm this idea that they basically didn't record these other categories in America?

(I am trying to evaluate one marriage in particular where I think the couple were some other type of cousins rather than first, but which gives no notation.)

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Ireland / Consanguineous difference?
« on: Friday 19 April 24 16:48 BST (UK)  »
I was wondering if anyone could explain whether there was any procedural difference in a consanguineous marriage. (Catholic)

Like, did it require a longer waiting time?  Or did it require some special fee?  Or some kind of research work?

I'm basically wondering if there would be any motivation for lying and saying a consanguineous marriage was non-consanguineous.

I have a kind of suspicious case in mind.

The two mothers of the bride and groom had the same maiden surname.  The mothers were born about in neighboring townlands.  (That is, ignoring possible subdivisions)

What's more, I think one mother was living in the same townland as the other was born, when she was married.

The mothers had different fathers, so the bride and groom would have to be no closer than second cousins.

The groom had an uncle who married his second cousin, in a neighboring parish.  I only understand the relationship through the notation.  The records don't go back far enough to detail it out.

The bride and groom lived about 10 km apart in neighboring parishes.  Mountainous country.

The marriage happened in America.  I haven't read many pages of American church records, but I never noticed any notes other than for first cousins.  Very different to Ireland, where I never saw first cousins being married, but lots of other notes for other relationships.

I was thinking that they would probably have viewed relationships more distant than first cousins less important in America, due to the lesser danger of inbreeding.

It also occurs to me that the records to outline any possible relationship would not have survived, and they might have known that, in a bureaucratic sense.  That is, if formal research was required, the priest would have known it was impossible to carry out.

Of course, another possibility is that they were related more distantly than was required to be stated.

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Kildare / John Robinson
« on: Friday 01 December 23 13:20 GMT (UK)  »
Where would I look to find an extract of the will of a man named John Robinson (d1876)?

I have found the calendar:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639598963

But it doesn't seem to contain the info that I was looking for.

I heard that there was a different executor who declined.  And I was also hoping to see whether any of his mother's kin were mentioned.

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Ireland / Can a priest reside outside his parish?
« on: Thursday 23 November 23 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
I was wondering if there was any church law that a priest should live inside his parish.

Anyone know what the practice was?

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Kerry / Train accident
« on: Thursday 23 November 23 12:01 GMT (UK)  »
Is there any kind of volume that I could consult to discover a railway accident in Ireland? That probably took place in the 1890s.

I had heard that a sibling of my great grandparent who emigrated to America died in a train accident. (Or that is to say from injuries sustained about a week later.)

Now, I am afraid my starting base of information is pretty low.  I don't know the fellow's first name, since he likely has no birth or baptism record.  (Only my great grandmother has a birth record.). I only know three names that he couldn't have had, as they were the names of brothers living at that time

I don't know where the accident took place.  Whether in America or Ireland.  But I have tried to search some American volumes, which supposedly covered all train accidents in the state where at least three of the siblings lived, including nonfatal ones, and couldn't find any obvious connection.

The one guy who I thought it could be ended up having parents with different names.

Meanwhile, there were at least three siblings in Ireland at the time.

Finally, the brother who mentioned the accident did not have a good grasp of time, so it is difficult to be sure what year the accident took place.

It was supposed to be 1897, but that is probably wrong.  His age was supposed to be 19, but I would guess closer to 30.

If it happened anywhere in Ireland, I would guess it happened in the native county of Kerry.

I wonder if there were many railway deaths in Kerry.  It seems like they were very small trains.

He fell from a train, which made me wonder if he could have been a brakeman.

The name was O'Brien, and they lived near Killorglin and Killarney.

Has anyone heard of train deaths in Kerry around that time?

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Ireland / How common for a priest to be native to his parish?
« on: Wednesday 22 November 23 01:51 GMT (UK)  »
I was wondering if anyone had an idea of how common it was for a priest to be native to his parish.

Did it ever happen?

Could it even happen many times, over the years, in the same parish?  And with a recurring surname?


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Kildare / Clonkeen, in what Catholic Parish?
« on: Wednesday 22 November 23 00:00 GMT (UK)  »
I know that Clonkeen must be in either the Catholic parish of Balyna or else in Carbury and Dunforth.

I am sure that I saw it while reading one of the registers years ago, when I wasn't particularly interested in the place, but I forget which one.  And I am having a bit of trouble refinding it.

Can anyone elucidate it for me?

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Ireland / Priest with two names
« on: Monday 14 August 23 21:35 BST (UK)  »
Do priests ever adopt a new name when they get ordained?

Something that sounds holier, like "Dominick."  Or something like a confirmation name.

Anyone heard of a priest who was known by two different (first) names?

In theory, why would a priest have a different first name on his grave?  And should it probably be considered a birth name, if he does?

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Ireland / Age at Ordination, c1820
« on: Friday 11 August 23 20:48 BST (UK)  »
I was wondering if anyone could tell me the typical age at which a Catholic priest was ordained, roughly around 1820.

Does 25 sound about right?

Anyone know what the minimum age might be?  Would something like 18 or 19 definitely be too young?

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