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Peeblesshire / Thomas Wilson, born West Linton, Peeblesshire, about 1833.
« on: Wednesday 17 October 18 01:49 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Wilson is on the 1861 census taken aboard the Royal Navy ship "Ardent", at Rio Plata, Buenos Aires, where he was assistant engineer, age 28, married, born in West Linton, Peeblesshire.

That makes his year of birth approximately 1833.

I can't find anything else about him, who his parents and family were, who his wife and children were, where and when he died.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / deleted
« on: Thursday 28 December 17 14:15 GMT (UK)  »
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Graveyards and Gravestones / Questions about how UK cemeteries work.
« on: Friday 12 May 17 12:13 BST (UK)  »
I am curious generally about how UK graveyards work.  Do they always have paperwork showing who is buried in them and exactly where, and if so where do you find this?  I am also curious who pays for the maintenance of old gravestones?  Presumably in private cemeteries it is the new burials who pay for the maintenance of the old stones?  And a lot of old graveyards are beautiful places that councils maintain because they are of historic importance?  I wonder how threatened the old gravestones are that have no living family to care about them, are they ever just taken down and new burials put in their places, due to the need for space?

I wonder what the logistics are of an old gravestone, of somebody who died between say 1850 and 1920, meaning anything to anybody, such that if you photograph them and put them on the Find a Grave website anybody would find that useful?  How many hits do Find a Grave memorials tend to get anyway?  Who are these likely to be useful to?  People researching their family history mostly I suppose, but also historians in general?

Some of these old gravestones have so much genealogical detail on them, as well as being beautiful, that I wonder what happens to them.  I am curious about those people who lived in these places long ago.  Most of these people left little trace, they were not famous.  In one cemetery I read on some nuns' epitaph a request to pray for the dead; I am not especially religious, but find it deeply important to remember these people who lived and died and seem forgotten, and various different religions seem to have similar attitudes.

Also, I would be grateful for any tips on how best to photograph gravestones.  It can be a question of do you just get a close up of the information so it can be read, or do you try to get background into the photograph?  I think the most beautiful gravestone I photographed was maybe because it had a stone angel with a background of a bit of blue and white sky, other shapes of headstones, trees and flowers, and you could also read the inscriptions.  If I was wanting a photograph for my family tree, that is what I would want.

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Sussex / Can somebody explain difference between Brighton cemeteries?
« on: Tuesday 02 May 17 19:38 BST (UK)  »
I am confused between at least two apparently different Brighton cemeteries.  There is the beautiful Extra Mural Cemetery, with an entrance on the Lewes Road, which then runs parallel to Bear Road.  If you keep walking through the Extra Mural Cemetery, at its very end you come to a gate on Bear Road, and if you cross over that very busy road you can enter the Bear Road Cemetery.  That much is clear to me, the Bear Road Cemetery is clearly labelled and obviously separated by a road.  If you then, instead of crossing that road, turn round and walk down a car-suitable road, and walk back towards the Lewes Road, leaving via an entrance about a hundred yards further down the Lewes Road, nearer to Brighton town centre, than the Extra Mural Cemetery Entrance you came in, then were you just in a cemetery with a different name?

I am wondering if I am confusing the Woodvale Cemetery with the Extra Mural Cemetery, and if they run into each other?  When I was standing at the gate next to Bear Road, I looked down and could see what looked like a modern graveyard, planted with a lot of young trees, and beyond that another graveyard.

I try to avoid going in currently used graveyards, for many reasons.  I find Victorian graveyards very beautiful, peaceful and interesting, and I enjoy photography.  Anyone who died after about 1920 I try not to photograph their gravestone, it just doesn't feel right. 

Can anybody explain which of these Brighton graveyards is which?  I think it is just the Extra Mural and Woodvale that I may or may not be confusing.  I do realise that the Bear Road cemetery is across the Bear Road from it.

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Sussex / St Peters Churchyard, Preston Park, Brighton.
« on: Monday 03 April 17 21:36 BST (UK)  »
I noticed something odd about some graves in St Peters Churchyard, Preston Park Brighton.

I just found this photograph taken in the 1860's of the grave of Benjamin and Amelia Travers.
http://regencysociety-jamesgray.com/volume18/source/jg_18_153.html

I had already put a photograph of the grave of Amelia Travers on the Find a Grave website.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41&GSmcid=48905387&GRid=156970194&
 She is the daughter of the gentleman Benjamin Travers.  The photograph  I took was a small stone laid into the ground, with another name, Harriet Madge, on it.  It looks nothing like the grand gravestone in the 1860's photograph.

The Regency Society website does say there was a fire at the St Peters Churchyard in the early twentieth century, so maybe some of the original graves were destroyed, and the one I photographed was only done then, from what was salvaged?  Does anybody know?  Maybe that is why there are so many insignificant looking little gravestones laid into the ground, overgrown with grass and moss, with minimal information on them?

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Sussex / Anne Alsham? Died 1816. Brighton?
« on: Saturday 01 April 17 20:41 BST (UK)  »
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2401212&GRid=177985821&

I found this mysterious gravestone in St Peter's Churchyard, Preston Park, Brighton.  It only gives her name and the date 1816.  Have I deciphered the name correctly, can anyone else see something else there?  Does anyone know who she was, or anything at all about her?

She is not part of my own ancestry, I am just very curious who she was.

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Occupation Interests / London Music Hall Vocalist.
« on: Thursday 14 July 16 14:46 BST (UK)  »
My ancestor gives her name as "Thomasina Wilson a Vocalist" on her daughter's birth certificate in early 1877.  Her daughter was born on 3rd January, and the certificate is dated 12th February.  She gives her residence as 3 Calthorpe Street, Russell Square, and the place of her daughter's birth as 3 Blantyre Street, Chelsea.  Both addresses are in central London, close to the Victorian theatre land.

Her real name was Rebecca Hartley Wool, born 22nd April 1854, in Lewisham, the daughter of a tailor.

How would I find out if she is mentioned anywhere as a music hall performer?  I assume that a Vocalist in that area of London in 1877 would most likely be performing in music halls.


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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / 31 Canonbury Park North
« on: Sunday 06 March 16 17:14 GMT (UK)  »
William Eglin Clayton is on the Electoral Register in 1881 as owning the freehold property 31 Canonbury Park North.

He died on 18th October 1881, and his probate is dated 8 Dec 1881, which says, "The Will of William Eglin Clayton late of 31 Canonbury-park-North in the County of Middlesex Gentleman who died 18th October 1881 at Orton in the County of Westmoreland was proved at the Principal Registry by Elizabeth Ann Clayton of 31 Canonbury-park-North Widow the Relict the sole Executrix."  He left a personal estate of 7,634 14s 1d.

What I want to know is who owned the house, before and after William Eglin Clayton.  If the house had passed to his wife Elizabeth Ann Clayton (nee Elizabeth Hartley Wool) then where would the record of that be, as before 1918 only men with sufficient property could vote, so she wouldn't be on the Electoral Register.

From what I can gather, these houses were large villas, and he owned the freehold.

I also want to know when he came into his inheritance from his father James, a licenced victualler born 1796 in Yorkshire, died 1873 in Middlesex, London.  William's mother was Anne, born Orton, Westmorland in 1826, and he had an older half brother called Thomas who was also born around 1826.


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The Common Room / Death certificate disappointing.
« on: Monday 15 February 16 13:50 GMT (UK)  »
I ordered a death certificate of my ancestor from the GRO, and after spending nearly 10 and waiting three weeks, all I got back was the exact information I found online, which had been copied on to a certificate form.

My ancestor died at sea, of "Internal disease believed to be ruptured spleen", age 43.  There was absolutely no information on the death certificate that I didn't already know, I was hoping to learn something, maybe if there was a post mortem, or where he was buried, or where the ship was when he died, who the next of kin was, who the informant was, who diagnosed his death, whether his body was brought back to England.

Is it usual for death certificates to be so lacking in useful information?

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