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Staffordshire / Thomas Kent and his son Charles (Leek and/or Uttoxeter)
« on: Monday 29 January 24 11:44 GMT (UK)  »
I posted about this a few years ago, have now found out more via Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast, but there is still a mystery and I am wondering if anyone has access to any other records that could help.

I have traced my ancestors back to my great-great-grandfather Charles Kent, born in Leek, Staffordshire, where he was baptised on 11.9.1803. His parents were shown as Thomas and Ann. I know that at some time Charles moved to Uttoxeter where he married in 1831 and is shown there in the 1841 and 1851 censuses.
I found a marriage on 3.10.1802 at Leek between Thomas Kent and Ann Clewlow, so am assuming that they are the parents of Charles. So far, so good, but then I have been trying to identify what happened to them next.
Meanwhile, I found baptisms of 2 children in Cheddleton in 1808 and 1809 with parents Thomas & Ann Kent. And then another 10 children in Uttoxeter at regular intervals between 1813 and 1832 with parents Thomas & Ann Kent – who are found with several of these children in Uttoxeter in 1841. The 1881 census shows the son of one of the Cheddleton children living with the daughter of one of the “Uttoxeter 10” and shown as cousins. So that means the Cheddleton 2 and the Uttoxeter 10 were siblings.

But it leaves Charles uncertain – were his parents (Thomas and Ann) the same as the parents of the other 12? Effectively, I either have 12 great-great-uncles and aunts – or none!

My instinct up to now has been that Thomas was from Uttoxeter, married Ann in Leek and lived there until after Charles was born, then moved to Cheddleton and then Leek.

BUT then there is a Thomas Kent in Regent Street, Leek, in 1841 (aged 58) and 1851 (aged 68). He was a joiner, said to be born in Leek, but I haven’t yet found any birth records for him in Leek or the adjacent parishes of Cheddleton, Endon, Bagnall, or Norton-le-Moors. He is shown as married in 1851 but no wife recorded, so presumably died.

The gap between his birth in 1803 and the next in 1808 seems unusually wide and it could be that his father Thomas was the one in Leek in the 1841 and 1851 censuses, especially if he married someone named Ann.

So my questions are:
1) Are there any other marriages for Thomas Kent between ,say, 1800 and 1808?
2) Is there any other record of the Thomas found in Leek in  1841-51, between 1783 and 1841?

I guess there is little chance but Rootschat often surprises me!

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The Common Room / Ernest Victor Bickerdike
« on: Monday 04 December 23 12:10 GMT (UK)  »
This is a very distant branch of my family tree but I have never come across such an impenetrable brick wall so am wondering if anyone more inspired than I can help.
My relative is Harriet Clarke. She was born at Kenton Street in Bloomsbury, London. She lived at home with her parents up to the 1891 census, then married Ernest Victor Bickerdike at the Emmanuel church in Hastings on 26.3.94. He was a bootmaker, of Hughenden Place in Hastings, but no subsequent records have been found for either of them.
In fact, I can't find any record at all of Ernest Victor Bickerdike, other than on their marriage record where his equally anonymous father has the same name. Thereafter no Harriet Bickerdike either. I've looked at Ancestry, Familysearch, Findmypast and Freebmd - even Googled them but all without success.
All very frustrating for a completer/finisher. Does this ring bells with anyone? I was going to post this under Sussex, but almost all Bickerdikes are in Yorkshire so that might be equally relevant.

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The Common Room / Posterity
« on: Monday 21 August 23 19:16 BST (UK)  »
I've been digging up ancestors for many years now and I don't know how many people I have recorded but it is well into 4 figures - maybe even 5. A recent significant birthday has made me think about how I should ensure that others can use my records if they are useful.

I set each major branch of my family into a "book", within which there are several chapters. Each chapter starts with a chart, and then some narrative about the individuals charted. I deliberately set out not to use genealogical software such as Genuki, because I want to make it available to all. Hence, I simply use MSWord - it can be a challenge constructing a chart but it works eventually.

One weakness that I realised many years too late is that I should have cross-referenced to my sources but it's too late to go through it all now.

So I wonder if anyone has advice as to where I should direct that my records should be passed on when I eventually shuffle off to join the ancestors. There is a local Family History Society but of course they are only concerned with the immediate locality and there are people all over the world listed.

It probably ought to be one of the big players so that they can make it available online. Has anyone else thought of this and are there are any suggestions?

Thanks in anticipation.

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Canada / Canada bmd if not on major websites
« on: Saturday 10 June 23 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Looking for details of a family branch I have recently discovered in Canada - mainly Alberta but of course other areas have occasional links. I have tried Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast and they all seem to be a bit thin on the ground.

Just as an example, I am looking for marriage dates for a family named Sturge in the mid 20th century, but marriage data seems to be largely unrecorded.

Can anyone suggest other websites?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Arrowsmiths in mid-Cheshire
« on: Wednesday 03 May 23 15:06 BST (UK)  »
I have been puzzling over the attached for some time and am hoping someone may be better able to help me decipher this. It's crucial to my researches as it mentions a Simon Arrowsmith. But I have found 2 or possibly 3 others with the same name in the same part of Cheshire at around this period. So I'm hoping this might help me sort out which is which.
All suggestions gratefully received.
P.S. First time I have attached something to a Rootschat message. I think I've done the right things, but it's not clear if I have so please let me know if there is no attachment!

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Cheshire / Sproston family - Thurlwood, Odd Rode
« on: Sunday 08 January 23 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hoping there are some inspired detectives to look at this!
The 1861 census at Thurlwood shows these Sprostons : Elizabeth widow 56 b Sandbach, Jane 30 housemaid b Odd Rode, son Henry 11 b OR,  son Samuel 17 lab b OR.  I have all the details I need for them.
Then it shows grandson William 9 b Odd Rode, who I believe to be the illegitimate son of Jane above, also shown in birth and later records as William Henry.
But my problem is with the final two. Granddaughter Elizabeth 4 b Burslem, and grandson Thomas 1 b Odd Rode. I have Elizabeth in 1861 and 1871 then her marriage in 1881 at Prestbury to Charles Bason, where she is shown as the daughter of Thomas Sproston, a joiner. I have Thomas in 1861,  not 1871 or 1881, but I do have his marriage in 1890 in Chorlton-upon-Medlock to Annie Pugh, where his father is also shown as Thomas Sproston, joiner.

So the question is who and where was their father? If they are the grandchildren of Elizabeth then she did have a son called Thomas but he was born in 1840 and died in 1847. If she had a second Thomas born after then, he would be too young to have children in 1857 and 1861. If she had him earlier then they would not have named another child Thomas while he was still around. Might he have been Elizabeth's son, named Thomas, but by someone else, and then took the name Sproston after his mother married? If so, where is there any record of him? He is not with her in 1841.
Can anyone spot any holes in this? I think I'll go for a lie down now :) 

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Lancashire / Giles Makin - too many of them! Is mine the criminal?
« on: Monday 15 August 22 20:01 BST (UK)  »
I've been researching my wife's family tree and worked back to Giles Makin in Bolton. I believe he was born around 1807, married Elizabeth Aspinwall on 5.11.1826. They had 8 children and he was buried at Astley Bridge on 8th January 1870. So far, so good. But there are several Giles Makins around this time and this area, and i I fear I won't be able to be certain of his birth date and hence further generations back from him.
I have found one GM aged 31 imprisoned for 1 year for larceny, together with 7 others. This was at the Michaelmas sessions (i.e. Oct-Dec so after the census) when he was brought up from the House of Correction in Kirkdale. I can't find any info yet on his residence and wondered if anyone has access to newspaper reports of this time.
To anyone who has read through this - thanks for your attention!

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Family History Beginners Board / Adoption records
« on: Wednesday 02 March 22 16:32 GMT (UK)  »
I've read the rules about (possibly) living people so won't post any identifying details.

However, I recently got in touch with a long lost cousin for the first time in about 65 years. Now I have found (via Freebmd) that she had a brother that she never knew, born in 1946 some miles away from her own birthplace. As usual, that gives his birth registration district and the quarter of the year. I have bought a copy of the birth certificate and sent it to her.  The mother's details make it indisputably ours, even though the father's forename is slightly incorrect on the certificate. They separated around that time, so it may be that she deliberately declared an error.

That has been emotional enough for my cousin, and to a lesser extent for me, too. But now we are wondering what happened to him. Freebmd and other websites show no death record of him in the same area and an enquiry to the helpful registry office has not revealed any appropriate death record in the next couple of years.

That seems to leave adoption as a possibility, or of course a simple error at the registry office but they are few and far between.

If anyone has any bright ideas they are most welcome, but in particular I am looking for advice on how to trace adoptions.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Ethel Malah
« on: Thursday 27 January 22 17:59 GMT (UK)  »
I found a record of banns for the marriage of Ethel Malah Keeling to William Edward Robinson. Banns were read at Earlsheaton on 13th, 20th and 27th of February 1921. I expected to find a marriage on the following Sunday (6th March) But I can find no record of the actual marriage, even though a family tree on Ancestry suggests that it was carried out and they lived together for the rest of their lives. There's no conclusive reference to them on Ancestry*, Findmypast* or Familysearch. Can anyone throw any light on this?
* = basic version available for free, but I would have expected something there even if no actual date is shown

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