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This post relates to this one https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815065.msg6762269#msg6762269 but I don't think there is anything on that thread that is pertinent to this query.

William JAGGER  born 21 March 1830
baptised at Halifax 11th February 1834.  parents Benjamin a coal miner, and Anne


25 August 1855 he married Sarah ASQUITH at Halifax.

5th July 1856 Alice Jagger born at Brow Lane, Shelf - I cannot find a death for her. Nor can I see her in any subsequent census.  It may be she died in the United States. because -

1861 the family must be in Pennsylvania as son Albert Asquith JAGGER was born there about that year (11th October according to his 1939 record)

7 December 1865 Ida Florence JAGGER was born. Her precise place of birth varies with the censuses, but it was near Bradford and she was baptised at Shelf - age 15 in 1881.


1871 Birkenshaw, St Paul, East Bierley
William 41   all indexed on Ancestry as SAGGER
Sarah 36
Albert 9
Ida F 5.     

1881  47 Cemetery Road, Manningham, Bradford
family as above. but 10 years older. Albert is a School Teacher and Ida is a pupil teacher

1891 47 Cemetery Road, Manningham
all as above 10 years older.

1901  47 Cemetery Road
William is 71 and is now widowed
Albert 39 is a farm manager
Ida 35 now presumably keeping house, but no occupation noted.

1911 the three of them are in Skelton in Cleveland. Albert is the Farm Bailiff
1921 they have moved to Colston Bassett. (Albert & Ida’s ages 10 years out for some reason) Albert is an Estate manager. He retired from that position in May 1937, and he and Ida (William having died in 1933 age 102)  must have moved back to Yorkshire. Where Ida died 16 September 1939, and Albert died in 1946

In 1929 there were various reports about William approaching his 100th birthday
and in one it says

“Mr Jagger’s son-in-law is a radiologist at the Bradford Royal Infirmary and the son with whom he lives is now a farmer, and was formerly a teacher under the Bradford Education Authority”
So - Who is the son-in-law? and who is the daughter he is married to?

I have found a couple of radiologists in the newspapers but haven’t managed to link them to the family.

Can anyone identify this uniform?
I don’t have the original and do not have photographer details, nor the shape of the edges, the reverse etc.

I thought the ribbon with the spiked wheel thing would be easy to find but am having no luck.
One of the candidates, born 1870, was in the Royal Horse artillery for a whole 37 days in 1890. And I thought the spiked wheel could be symbolic spurs. But can see nothing, and the jacket is too long?
The same man was then a sapper in the Royal Engineers. 1890-1897 then the reserves for a further 3 years.

the edging of the jacket is dark, but is it also shiny?  I have been thinking black trim on red? ?
Also - the arm chevrons. One is white and one dark?

Added - family who has the photo say it is of a man who was born in 1823 and who retired as a Petty officer in the Royal Navy between 1861 & 1871.  I don't feel this is a naval uniform

in 1881

at 73 Drury Lane, St Martin in the Fields are

Mathias THATCHER Head, 24, Coffee House Keeper b Berkshire
Jessie wife, 28 born Staffordshire
Eveline daughter 1, born London

and a slew of Lodgers.

Checking the GRO reveals Jessie was nee BANNERMAN

in 1883 this family plus another child born 1882, Edwin Mattie (mmn BANERMAN)
emigrated to New Zealand

Another son was born there and a transcript of his birth registration I have seen says that

Jessie was born in Staffordshire (no more detail)
Jessie was nee BANNERMAN
Jessie was 31 (on 14th April 1887) so born apt 1856
Jessie & Mathias married February 1879, Marylebone, London

Jessie was the informant.

When she died in 1937 she was said to be 86. so born 1851

Can anyone see a birth or a marriage for Jessie?

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edited to add some more dates.

I am trying to tidy up the descendants of one of my 2x Great Grandfathers. Nice but not essential. Anyway -

Ivor Sarah COOPER was born 7th July 1892 and  baptised 19th October 1892, Wicker, Yorks. Daughter of Frederick COOPER (1855-1896) and Rebecca JUBB (1859-1945)
in the 1921 census she is said to be a widow Ivor Sarah DAVIES and has a son, 3 years old, Gordon Randall DAVIES, born Sheffield, 1918, and his father is dead.

in 1939 she is living as Ivor S. DAVIES  with her mother Rebecca COOPER and also a man George W[alter] BARRS in Nottingham. She and George both say they are married.
They marry each other in Nottingham in 1956.  and are in the same grave at Carlton Cemetery, Nottingham.

Meanwhile Gordon Randall DAVIES is a sergeant in the RAF and on 8 November 1942 he was baptised as a Catholic at Sacred Heart Cathedral, New Delhi, and confirmed there the following year on 18th April 1943. On that record he says he was born 19th May 1918, and his father’s name was John DAVIES

1. Can anyone see a marriage for Ivor Sarah COOPER to John DAVIES? (or any DAVIES?)
2. What happened to Gordon Randall DAVIES after his conversion to Catholicism  and his confirmation?

I am helping a friend.

1 April 1849 a George SEYMOUR age 18, a labourer, Native place & County, Marylebone, Middlesex arrived Australia on the Lord George Bentinck

https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4816/Lord George Bentinck_1 Apr 1849/4_481600226.jpg&No=9

A different list has him as one of 14 boys from the London Ragged Schools

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3678967:1635?tid=&pid=&queryId=2e2f85e612766fbdc92e0a854e917ed1&_phsrc=JLM2&_phstart=successSource

to be employed by a Mr Neeve? (not sure of the name) of Melbourne.

I would like somehow to be able to either rule him in or out as the G. Seymour who arrived Nelson, New Zealand, September 1854

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZSCSG18540906.2.12.2?end_date=31-12-1854&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=g.+seymour&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=06-09-1854


I THINK that one (the 1854 George) is the one who married Elizabeth McGee in 1856 and died in Nelson in 1860, age 29

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC18601012.2.4?end_date=31-12-1860&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=george+seymour&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=06-09-1859

but how to prove it, and if it is him, how can we trace him further back.
(We have his NZ descendants information - I am waiting exact details from the children’s birth certificates but due to the early dates I doubt they contain anything of import)

Children

Charles Alexander  1857 - 1934
Henry Seymour b 1858. I am told he was ‘adopted’ by his mother’s second husband Hugh Corrigan
Georgeanna 1861-1864 (born posthumously)

I have asked for Charles Alexander’s marriage certificate’s information

Searching is not helped by the fact there is a ship the Sir George Seymour, and a Ship’s captain also George Seymour!