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Photograph Resources, Tips, Tutorials / A Plea to Posters and Restorers
« on: Thursday 02 November 23 10:27 GMT (UK)  »

One of the hardest things to do in restoring photos is to make them both smoother and sharper at the same time. It’s common sense, isn’t it? More smooth means less sharp; more sharp means less smooth.

And it’s particularly pertinent when faces are involved because human beings are conditioned to recognise the tiniest differences in faces. All but an unfortunate few people can easily distinguish, for example, one boy or girl from their similarly featured brother or sister.

Enter Artificial Intelligence (AI) which can both sharpen and smooth at the same time.

But AI has its own limitations. It achieves its sharpening and smoothing by “making it up”.

I imagine it as a very sophisticated “Identikit”. An AI app looks in its database to find bits of a face that closely resemble the corresponding bits of a face in someone’s faded old or low res photo. It replaces the face in the original photo with a face made up from those closely-resembling bits. (Probably the most obvious example of a potential folly in this is all the mismatched eyes displayed in so many AI-generated restores.)

It has been a hot topic for a while now, in two senses: Hot popularity, because it can do a job very quickly and very easily—and, at times, very well when used judiciously. It can also generate hot discussions when used injudiciously. To purists, AI “enhances”; it doesn’t “restore”.

It depends what you—and I’m talking to both posters and restorers here—want out of a “restore”: an enhancement or a restoration.

I’m not against the use of AI apps. I have one in my toolbox. I use it… sparingly.

But here’s a made up example of where I don’t think it has a place at all:

In 1928 my father travelled to Brisbane, Queensland as part of the New South Wales school athletics team, to compete against the Queensland team.

Now let’s imagine Dad’s team’s photo was put in the paper back in 1928, and then 95 years later—that is, tomorrow or next week—one of my distant cousins posted a low resolution snip of the photo asking Rootschat to “restore” it so they could have a better image of their distant cousin.

The first image below is a low res copy of my dad from the photo, such as you might obtain from a newspaper. The second is an AI’s attempt at a “restore” from that copy; the third is from my high res copy scanned from Dad’s original photo.

I honestly think we are doing posters a disservice by making up images of their ancestors. I would certainly not like to see my own descendants believing that my father looked like the middle image below, let alone perpetuating that image down to future generations.

My pleas regarding AI are these:

Posters: please post as good an image as you can within Rootschat’s 500kb limit.

Restorers: Please ask for better images before working on requests (2 kb? Really?). If you must do a restore where you scale up from 2kb to 500 kb, please tell the poster that the image is almost certainly not what the person actually looked like but a guess by an artificial intelligence app as to what they might have looked like.

Rant over. ;)

Peter

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I sent the following request for help to Mackiev’s Support Centre but have received zero response.  (I've also now sent the same query to the message board on Ancestry.) Just hoping someone else has experienced (and overcome) the same or a similar problem.

I have a 16” Macbook Pro with the Apple M1 Pro chip, running Ventura and version 24.1.0.520 of FTM.

When I try to merge ("replace") sources, the dialogue boxes are greyed out in the step after choosing the original then the replacement source. The only thing I can do then is close the app first (which leaves the greyed out dialogue boxes) then quit (or sometimes force quit) the app, which gets rid of the boxes but leaves a message saying the app quit unexpectedly.

To try to isolate the problem I dug out my old 13” Macbook, mid-2012 vintage, running Catalina and version 24.0.1.252 of FTM. I tested the old version of my family tree that is on the old machine and it had no problem with the merging of sources. I then sent a GEDCOM file of that tree (without media) to the newer Macbook; the same problem occurred as I'd already experienced with the newer version of the tree.

I did not update FTM versions on the old machine, fearful that if the new version of FTM was the problem I would lose the ability to merge sources at all. I did do a fresh install of FTM  build 520 to the newer machine. I also shut down and restarted the newer machine.

However, perhaps it’s  more likely that there’s some small incompatibility between FTM and the new Apple chip?

Hope you can help.

Cheers,
Peter

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Warwickshire / Harbornes from Harborne. Cause and effect or just coincidence?
« on: Friday 16 September 22 09:40 BST (UK)  »
This query is about the origin of the surname, Harborne.

My grandmother, Louisa Harborne (1884-1971) was a granddaughter of convict John Harborne (1812-1882). John Harborne was born to William Harborne and Sarah Taylor on 14 November 1812 and christened 1 December 1818 at St Phillips, Birmingham while the family lived at Aston Street, Birmingham.

At the same ceremony a Samuel Harborne (born 10 Sep 1817), was christened to a John Harborne and an Eleanor.

Both fathers were cabinet-makers and they lived about a half mile apart, the latter family in Bull Street. The babies don’t appear to have been first cousins but may have been second cousins.

I haven’t yet traced the ancestry of both families. There are plenty of online trees purporting to trace these families back a few centuries, but…

The village of Harborne is only about five miles from where these two Harborne families lived.

I haven’t been able to establish a causal connection between the surname and the place name, but it just seems so much of a coincidence.

The place name appears in the Domesday Book of 1086 and apparently the settlement predates that. The source of the place name is not clear-cut but it may refer to a “boundary brook” or “grey or hoary brook”. The source of the surname is also not clear. While some sources give it the same origin as the place name, others trace it to an occupation, “Harberer”, the keeper of a lodging house.

The surname appears in parish records in Warwickshire back to the 16th century but not as close to Birmingham/Harborne Town as “my” Harbornes, thus taking away from the idea that the surname derived from the place name.  There were Harbornes in Ansty, about 30 miles away from Harborne and Stratford-on-Avon, about 35 miles away. But at the same time there were also Harbornes way over in Norfolk and Suffolk.

But again, we’re looking over a long period of time, and perhaps the same surname had differing origins.

I’m just looking for some extra insight. Could “my” Harbornes’ name have come from the name of the place or is it just a coincidence?

Peter

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Could I please have some help with the image below. There are a couple of words I’m not sure of (Tumour and jodhpurs) and a couple I can’t work out at all. Thank you.
Peter

Leonard Donley
Nov 16—1887-
(?) [initials]
20 yrs
Butcher
Arkona Ont[ario]
Tumour [?] in the head several years-
?? ??????? ??
Rev Joseph Deacon
Thredford
Nov 18—1887
Methodist
??????  ????????
The slip for this regis-
-tration was brought
me by the father of de-
ceased in July/88-having
found it in one of his jodhpurs [?]
almost worn out-   ? [initials]

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Charles Ford's Cause of Death
« on: Wednesday 09 June 21 08:36 BST (UK)  »
I think I’ve got most of this one; just looking for confirmation, and help with the first word in the third line ('owing'?) and the last word of the fourth line ('head' or 'heart') of the marginal note. (Damage to a 'head' makes more sense in a scuffle but 'heart' makes more sense being 'already diseased'.)

‘Found dead on Knoyle Down, after having
been drinking for some hours at Hindon, &
ow[in]g to scuffle in wh[ich] there was no intention to
do hurt, but wh[ich] produced an effect upon his head/heart
already diseased—caus[in]g death.’

(Tragic family, this one. Too-young deaths in addition to Charles (aged 26) include: his mother aged 31, one brother aged 6, another brother (George, my ancestor who went to Australia) who got drunk and was run over by a train at age 48 after his wife a few years earlier fell into a fire causing a week-long agonising death at age 28. After the premature deaths skipped a generation, George’s granddaughter (my grandmother) died in 1919 from the Spanish flu, aged 23, leaving three young kids.)

Peter

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Australia / What does this “Surrender” instrument mean for Ben SINGLETON?
« on: Monday 13 April 20 04:55 BST (UK)  »
I’m gradually working my way through a large amount of images from the early NSW Registrar General, Registers of Memorials now available on ancestry involving my ancestor’s brother, Ben Singleton. They’re a bit of a tangled web but I’m understanding what most of them mean. I’m not sure about this one:

Date: 01 Jan 1823;
Nature of Instrument: Surrender;
Names of Parties: James Norton, Cyrus McArthur Doyle and Roger Murphy to Benjamin Singleton;
Witnesses: J[?] F Josephson, Walter Smith;
Description of the lands or property conveyed: [abbrev.] 300 acres at Patricks Plains;
Consideration and how paid: One thousand three hundred and forty three pounds six shillings and eight pence;
Any other particulars the case may require: [blank]

For people with access to ancestry, the image is here:

https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/5117/41492_330038-00028?pid=304911&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D5117%26h%3D304911%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DVcV3%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=VcV3&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.200807853.2012050335.1586585191-639484467.1581120369#?imageId=41492_330038-00028

(For people not aware of it, Ben Singleton was the founder of the town of Singleton, centred in Patricks Plains, NSW.)

I’m thinking what it means is that a portion of the (leasehold) land originally granted to Ben Singleton he later sold (re-leased) to the three people in the “Surrender”, and for some reason they failed to fulfil the conditions of that re-lease so they had to surrender the land back to him. The “Consideration” I’m thinking is the amount still owing to Ben: that is, the original price of their re-lease less the amount they had already paid to him (and perhaps plus any interest on arrears of payments?).

Could you tell me if my interpretation is correct, or otherwise set me on the right track, please.

Cheers,
Peter

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Fermanagh / What is that native place of Isabella Johnston?
« on: Friday 15 March 19 11:53 GMT (UK)  »

My ancestor, Isabella Johnston arrived in Australia in 1850. She was a steerage passenger on the ship, “Anglia”, that first landed in Hobart, Tasmania then went on to Sydney in February 1850.

I’ve posted a snip from the list of passengers arriving in Sydney. I think I can read all the detail about Isabella but her native place has got me stumped.

This is what I think it says:

“Johnson, Isabella  25 (age) Dairymaid (calling) Rotherstown (?) Co Fermanagh (native place and county) William & Fanny both decd (Parents and if alive) C of E (Religious Denom) both (Read or write) none (Relations in the Colony) good (Health) none (Complaints re treatment) 2 pounds (Remarks)”

To me the place looks like “Rotherstown” (the formation of those letters looks like other examples on the page) but I can’t find anything like that on lists of place names or on old maps of Ireland.

Any help in locating the right place would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,
Peter

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Australia / Multiple Murder at Cockfighter’s Creek: A Christmas Mystery
« on: Thursday 13 December 18 05:11 GMT (UK)  »


On Saturday, December 28, 1867, my ancestor, John Harborne, working as a stockman on the NSW Hunter Valley property, Wambo, found some human bones that turned out to be those of a young family murdered about thirty years earlier. The story was told in the Maitland Mercury of January 2, 1868:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18728788?searchTerm=(john%20harborne)%20date%3A%5B1868%20TO%201868%5D%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=
with a follow-up on January 14  noting that the murder victims were probably an itinerant hawker, his wife and two small children, murdered by convicts who were building a bridge across the local creek.

Your mission, dear Rootschat detectives, should you accept it, is not to find the murderer/s but to find which one of two possible John Harbornes was the discoverer of the bones.

My great great grandfather, John Harborne (1812-1882) was born in Birmingham, England and transported to Australia in 1828 for burglary. He had a defacto relationship with Alice (nee) Clarke who was officially married to Edwin Baldwin (who was serving time on Norfolk Island for being extra naughty). John and Alice stayed together until Alice died in 1863. John then married for the first time, aged 53, at Warkworth,  a 22 year-old Elizabeth Sleath with whom he had 8 more children, the last born in 1880 when he was 68).

John died at Wambo aged 69. However, the informant was his son, John (then 36), who is also described as “of Wambo”. John senior is variously described in records as a farmer or as a labourer.

My great grandfather, John Harborne (1845-1919) was born at Cockfighters Creek, (part of Wambo) Parish of Warkworth, to John Harborne and Alice Baldwin. John married Sarah Wyburn in 1878 at Singleton. In later life his home was alternately given as Doctors Creek and Boggy Flat (close together so perhaps the same home but given different descriptions by different people and/or at different times). John owned at least two small portions in this area (no.s 110 and 89, SE of the village of Warkworth).

John junior was also variously described as a farmer or a labourer.

At the time of the discovery of the bones John senior would have been 55, and John junior, 22.

William Durham had managed Wambo, then inherited the property from his stepfather, James Hale (1780-1857) an ex-convict who had amassed a large number of properties of which he was an absentee landlord. Durham died in 1891 and Wambo was sold out of the Durham family in 1894.

It seems that for at least part of the time, both Johns were living on the Wambo estate, at least until John senior died (1882).

So far I haven’t been able to separate the two John Harbornes during the period in which the discovery of the bones occurred.

I am leaning towards it being John senior. For these reasons:
James Hale was in the habit of employing ex convicts to help run his burgeoning enterprises.
John Harborne appears in the papers a number of times as a witness regarding thefts of stock from Wambo. It is probably more likely that the 50 something John would have had that responsibility rather than the 20 something John.

But it would really be great to get a bit more evidence.

As always, should any of you be caught or killed, the other Rootschat members will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

Cheers,
Peter

[I’ve posted a couple of map portions to show the localities involved. On the first, “Wollombi Brook”  (underlined in white), between Wambo and Warkworth, is the newer name for the old “Cockfighters Creek”. The murder took place somewhere near that creek.
On the second map, John junior, in later life, lived at Doctors Creek/ Boggy Flat, SE of Warkworth village, marked by the white X. ]

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Scotland / Rare 1922-23 ROB ROY Movie Now on Youtube
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 05:00 BST (UK)  »


A couple of years ago while writing a book on my branch of the McGregors I stumbled across mention of an old Rob Roy film which I said in the book: “may be lost”. Well, if so, it is now found.

The British Film Institute National Archives has restored the film to 86 minutes of silent black and white glory, and have made it available on Youtube.

While much of the movie is just what you might expect of something made early last century, it is also an ambitious and remarkable rare gem, most notably for the on location filming in the Trossachs.

As I understand it, although the film may still be in copyright, it is classified as an “Orphan Work”. That is, the BFI National Archives, unable to find any true owner, would have applied to the European Union Intellectual Property Office (EUIPO) to preserve and restore the film, and to make it publicly available.

There are three copies of the film on Youtube, the BFI copy and two from Spanish sources (the EUIPO is domiciled in Spain). BFI calls it a 1923 movie (release date), the others 1922 (production).

I think it is a must-see for anyone interested in Rob Roy or, indeed, for anyone interested in seeing how Rob Roy country looked almost 100 years ago.

Here is a link to the BFI version and a screen shot from the opening of the film. (I haven't watched it all yet; I wanted to shout if from the rooftops first. ;D ;D

Peter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-01FN4jWzzk


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