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Hi,
Seriously stuck with my ggggf Samuel Webber.

In 1841 Samuel with wife "Mary" , son Samuel and daughter "Mary are living in Yeoman's Row Brompton Kensington. He is shown as 45 born  occ gardener. She is 40 - Samuel jn 10 "Mary" 5 all shown as "born in county". Daughter Elizabeth 17 is working as a servant in Brompton Crescent nearby.

In 1851 the family are living in Smith Street Chelsea, He is 55 and is now born in Curry Rivell Somerset, wife "Maria" 50 born Dorsetshire, daughter "Maria" 16 b Kensington. Elizabeth is married to Edward Pearson and living in Rotherhithe.

In 1861 Samuel and Mariann (her actual name) are not to be found- I have checked the microfilm and there are huge sections of Chelsea missing and unfortunately the couple must be in one of the missing pieces. However daughter Marian and her husband William Wildy are present. Elizabeth is now in Australia and is out of the picture.

In 1871 Samuel now widowed is living with Marian and William Wildy- his age has gained four years and place of birth is given as Kensington. He died at the Chelsea workhouse infirmary in 1874 age given matches the 1871 but not the earlier census. He appears in admissions entries for the workhouse in 1872.

My problem is that I am entirely unable to find a baptism for him in Curry Rivell. Some years ago I did find another Webber in Middlesex (James  from memory ) who also gave his PoB as Curry Rivell but does not appear in the baptisms for the one family that were living there at that time (William and Hannah).

I have found a number of baptisms in Somerset for Samuel's at around about the right time but not in Curry Rivell- the handwriting in the 1851 census is quite clear. As he was living with his son in law in 1871 I am sure that the details given then are incorrect as opposed to his consistency with his age in earlier census, I have only the one reference to PoB as Curry Rivell but I have no reason to disbelieve Samuel's entry in 1851.

Can anyone suggest somewhere near Curry Rivell that might be a likely place to look for a baptism? Non conformist chapels? villages close by- I have looked on google maps at the nearby villages but haven;t found Samuels bp there and feel it needs a local outlook.

I also don't have a marriage for him to Marian. She was from Dorset so I'm guessing a marriage in the Somerset/Dorset area rather than in London. Their first known child was my gggm Elizabeth born in 1825 (apparently in Brompton, Middlesex- I have not been able to confirm this with a baptism record) . The couple baptised a George Samuel in 1827, son Samuel junior seems to have a different birth date in every census that I have found him in- he is extremely difficult to find - he was in Fulham in 1851 and in Hospital in Fulham in 1901- he died in 1902- luckily he gave his full address of place of birth (Yeomans Row Brompton) in the 1901 census allowing me to track the family in 1841 (this was in pre online index days!)

Samuel senior was a "gardener" (non domestic) and through to the 1840's Yeoman's row was surrounded by orchards and market gardens- a suitable place for someone from agricultural Somerset to find work.

Any suggestions gladly welcomed- I have copies of the relevant seeming baptisms from findmypast- but are there any others not online there that someone knows about?

Thanks
Jane
 

Hi,
Is anyone able to look up the about shropshire (?shrewsbury) marriage.
I have found it in various lists of civil registrations but what I am after is the actual church record- preferably showing Sarah Bayley's fathers name as well as Richards father.
Richard was my gggrandfather. He and a Sarah had five children - the first (my ggf) Richard b 1854. I have not been able to find a marriage for Richard SIMMONDS the elder to anyone before the birth of the first child. They appear in the 1861 census as Richard and Sarah SIMMONDS along with 6 year old Richard and 2 year old John. There were a couple of daughters born subsequently. And Sarah SIMMONDS age and PoB (madely) do not change from 1861 in the subsequent census (through to 1881)
In 1864 a Richard SIMMONDS married a Sarah BAYLEY. I do not know if this was a second marriage for Richard or if they really did leave marrying until AFTER all the children were born!
Another family member has had some research done which shows Sarah BAYLEY as the mother of Richard Simmonds junior but I haven't been able to confirm this. Richard was a very popular name amongst the Simmonds families and it could be a completely unrelated Richard who married sarah Bayley (which doesn;t help me find the real Sarah of course :-) )
Richard seniors parents are believed to be Richard (but of course!) (ex army) and Ann.

Any assistance gratefully received!
Jane