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Australia / Piotr (Peter) and Marianne PALACHICKY, arrived Adelaide 5 Oct 1949
« on: Friday 23 February 24 02:48 GMT (UK)  »
I am interested to find a place and date for the marriage of this couple, if someone has access to European records. It seems Piotr (1920-1997) and Marianne (nee Groß, 1926-2022) met in Germany at the end of the war as displaced persons and travelled to Naples, where they caught the SS Victory to Australia, departing on 4 Aug 1949 and arriving on 5 Oct 1949. I know Marianne was at Dernau, Ahrweiler, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany, on 14 Dec 1945.
Thanks, Geoff


 

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Australia / Displaced persons GEDIMINAS and VELTA NORKAITIS arrived MELBOURNE on 20 Apr 1949
« on: Sunday 18 February 24 21:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all, You have been so useful in the past that I thought I might try you on this one. This couple were in the Schweinfurt Resettlement Camp after the war. They were married on 8 Nov 1948, by implication at Schweinfurt. The displaced persons documents I have found (initially calling Velta "Norkaitiene", using the feminine version of the surname) show they moved to Genoa and then Naples, where they boarded the "Svalbard" and left on 22 Mar 1949, arriving in Melbourne on 20 Apr 1949. I have their dates and places of birth. What I would really like to discover is Velta's maiden name, since she is using her married name in all the documents I have. She was born in Riga on 2 Jul 1928. Would anyone have access to he marriage details showing Velta's maiden name? Thanks, Geoff 

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Australia / Trying to find link between NED KELLY and MARTHA AGNES O'CONNELL (nee McCoy)
« on: Friday 29 December 23 07:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

Another query for you, if you would be so kind. Martha Agnes McCoy was born 18 Jan 1846 in Moonee Ponds Vic, the daughter of James McCoy (1817-1894) and Alice Grady (1820-1909). She died in Lockhart NSW on 29 Mar 1918. I am trying to establish whether she was related to Ned Kelly.

I have two reasons for thinking this, but no proof. There is a picture of her taken in 1871 in Ancestry, and the caption on that says she was related to Ned Kelly. And a descendant says her father was told the family was related to Ned Kelly. But both these "facts" might stem from the same error, of course.

Ned Kelly's mother's maiden name was Ellen Quinn, and there are Quinns in the family tree that the descendant is working on.

Any help appreciated.

Geoff

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England / Latin abbreviations in printed parish summaries
« on: Friday 24 November 23 04:51 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I couldn't see anywhere more appropriate. My ancestor  John Chippindall had two wives. I have a printed parish summary for Waddington, on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border, which includes the first wife's burial.

Under Burials 1714, the sixth line reads: Elianora Uxor (wife) Joh'ís (Johannis) Chippendell de (of) Bashall sep: (7th) Julij (July). Then "17mo". At first glance I thought it was an infant death of a child aged 17 months but that's not it. The abbreviations mo, to, no, vo and even tio are used in baptisms, marriages and burials on the same page.

Can anyone tells me what the Latin abbreviation "mo" means in this context?

Thanks,
Geoff Turner

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Lancashire / The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Tuesday 21 November 23 22:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

Thanks for all your help in the past and I am hoping you might be able to help me find some more details about my 6 x great grandfather William Chippindall (1719-1765). My friend and I are Australian descendants of his and hoped someone a bit closer to the action might have more insights. My friend has been in touch with English members of the family and they sent us a "hand-drawn" tree which I will refer to.

The well-known family story is that William drowned on Morecambe Sands on 1 May 1765 when he was caught by the incoming tide. The Lancashire OPC has him buried at Holy Trinity, Poulton-le-Sands (which now seems to be a suburb of Morecambe) on 4 May 1765. The hand-drawn tree says he "was drowned crossing Morecambe Sands and buried at Poulton" but does not give dates.

The OPC also appears to have the burial of his widow, Elizabeth Bleasdale, at Ulverston in 1792. A woman described as Mrs Chippindale, widow, was buried at St Mary, Ulverston, on 5 Feb 1792. The hand-drawn tree says she died at Ulverston in 1792.

The OPC has the marriage of William and Elizabeth at All Hallows, Mitton, Lancashire, on 19 Oct 1742.
Wm. Chippendale - Batchelor, This Parish
Elizabeth Bleazedale - Spinster, Chipping Parish
Married by Licence by: W. Johnson, Vicar, by Virtue of a License granted by Mr Yates of Gargrave

It also has the baptism of William

Baptism: 24 Jan 1719/20 All Hallows, Mitton, Lancashire
William Chippindall - Son of John Chippindall
Occupation: Yeoman
Register: Baptisms 1700 - 1739, Page 16, Entry 20
Source: Original Parish Register

OPC says it does not have the baptism records for Chipping in 1721 but from somewhere (not an Ancestry tree or FamilySearch) I have Elizabeth's baptism as
8 Mar 1721 St Bartholomew's, Chipping, Lancashire.

The marriage says she is from Chipping.

As I say, some of this is from the hand-drawn family tree and some of it is from OPC sources, and it all matches, but I would like to know where baptism details for Elizabeth come from.

And any other information, of course.

This man's grandson, William Coward Chippindall (1774-1839) came to Australia in 1815, which is why there is an Australian branch of the family.

Thanks again,
Geoff

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Australia / Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« on: Saturday 04 November 23 04:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all, thanks for all your help in the past and I have a new query someone might be able to help with.

I have been contacted by a researcher trying to sort out a friend's ancestors, and she thought I might be able to help because I am descended from the Dowse family. Isaac Dowse Senior (Abt 1777-1853) was convicted of horse theft in London and transported to NSW for life, arriving in Port Jackson in 1803. He became a successful brickmaker in the Campbelltown area.

His grandson Thomas Dowse (1847-1925) married Mary Gray (1849-1933) and they settled at Jamberoo on the NSW South Coast and had nine children, many of them registered at nearby Kiama.

Among them was Emily May Dowse (1878-1960), who appears on later family documents as May Emily Dowse, and perhaps preferred the name May. She married Englishman George Stephenson Coupland (1876-1950) in Sydney in 1900 and they had nine children. The first seven were born (or registered anyway) between 1901 and 1911 at Muswellbrook in the Hunter Valley.

May's sister Florence was married at Muswellbrook in 1898. Did May travel to Muswellbrook to have the children at the home of her sister? Or was her husband living up there? We know he arrived in Australia as a child in 1883 and was on the roll with her in Botany in 1930, but not a lot about him in between. And the last two Coupland children were born in 1913 and 1917 in Mascot and Redfern.

Or did May live at Muswellbrook as well? 

We also know there was a woman calling herself May Gray who had four illegitimate children at the Benevolent Asylum in suburban Sydney in the period 1901-1909. May Dowse's mother's maiden name was Gray. And May Gray says she was born at Jamberoo, and was 18 years old when Leo was born in 1901. That would make her born about 1878, so the same time and place as May Dowse.

These children were Leo (1901-1901), Bridget (1902-1968), William H (1908- ), and an unnamed stillborn child in 1909. We know Bridget was fostered out, and our contact with this family is through one of Bridget's descendants, who has people named Dowse among his DNA matches. 

Given the similar birth places and dates, it is tempting to think the two Mays are the same person. Perhaps if she was living part from her husband, she went to Muswellbrook for the births she could explain, and went to the Benevolent Asylum for the "mistakes" with an eye to having those children fostered out.

The main problem with the May Gray = May Dowse theory is that in a couple of cases the two women had children in the same year. Leo Gray was born 22 Apr 1901. But the birth of the first Coupland child was registered in 1901. An April birth rules out a second birth in the same year, as far as I can see. There are also two births in 1908, one for (Emily) May Coupland and one for May Gray.

If you agree it seems unlikely that it's the same woman, does anyone have any ideas about how to find out more about the identity of the May Gray who had the illegitimate children at the Benevolent Society?

Thanks,

Geoff Turner   

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Perthshire / Occupation -- Baron/Barow/Bakow? Officer
« on: Thursday 29 June 23 02:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
I am helping my cousin trace her Scottish roots (we are both in Australia) and we have found an occupation that we hope someone might know about. On the death certificate of Margaret Donaldson at Scone in 1855 it says both her father James Donaldson and her husband John Gellatly were what looks like Baron/Barow/Bakow? Officer (see attachment). In the 1841 Census, John and one of their children, Janet, were at Village Of Airntully, Kinclaven. Airntully seems to be about five miles north of Scone. I don't know if the location would give any hints about the occupation. Perhaps John was working there and Janet went with him to look after him (John was 71 and Janet was 35). John's occupation is given as "Linen H L W", which might be a transcription error (I don't have access to the Census original). He is not in the 1851 Census and Margaret died in 1855 as a pauper.   
Any suggestions much appreciated. Geoff Turner

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Ireland / Is there a Kilcranky in Ireland?
« on: Tuesday 27 June 23 09:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, I'm in Australia and trying to help a cousin, another Australian, trace a branch of her family tree. She is stuck with her Irish great great grandmother Margaret Flynn, daughter of labourer Michael Flinn and Agnes (Nancy) McDonald. The 1851 Scottish Census says Margaret Flynn was born in Kilcranky, Ireland, about 1828 and apparently ran away to Scotland, where she met and married John Peters in Dunning on 21 Nov 1850.
The only Kilcranky she can find is Killiecrankie in Scotland, scene of a 1689 battle -- but nothing in Ireland. Her aunt says Margaret was from Dublin. Margaret's sister Bridget was born in County Roscommon, according to her death certificate (she died in Australia).
The only thing I have found that is remotely possibly is the townland of Killakee in Dublin South. But at Census time, wouldn't she just say she was born in Dublin, rather than Killakee?
Any thoughts or information greatly appreciated.
Geoff

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Australia / Royal Navy service of Charles Rushton (1792-1831)
« on: Wednesday 17 May 23 03:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I am seeking more information about the navy career of this man, who was the son of my 5 x great grandfather Thomas Rushton. Thomas was a brewer in Liverpool, Lancashire, who was caught with counterfeit notes and sentenced in 1802 to be transported to Australia for 14 years. The colony needed his skills and he prospered. He sent money home for his daughter Henrietta and her family to join him, and she arrived in Sydney in 1815 (and soon died in childbirth). Another daughter, Mary Anne, arrived in 1827.

His son Charles arrived in Australia aboard the "Lynx" from Calcutta in September 1817. According to an 1820 memorial seeking a land grant, Charles Rushton had been in the Royal Navy for more than 11 years, most of it on "actual" service and "immediately after the peace was concluded, memorialist was paid off and discharged from such service". Perhaps this is a reference to the Paika Rebellion, which ended in May 1817.

He had been living in Sydney since his arrival but now wanted to be granted a piece of land. We know from a later document that on 30 Jun 1823 he was granted 80 acres at Appin, and we have a church register and newspaper listing showing that he married Mary Ann Wilkinson Talmage at St Phillip's, Sydney, in 1826. (A decade earlier, Mary Ann had given birth to a son who died as an infant, though she had never been married. But that's another story.)

I am awaiting death certificates to confirm that Charles and Mary Ann both died in 1831, at the ages of 40 and 36 respectively.

But my main interest at this stage is Charles' service in the Royal Navy. It seems that the UK National Archives has records of RN officers back to 1756, and he is not on that. He was probably just a rating, not an officer, so that is not surprising. The ratings list only goes back to 1853, so that is no help.

Does anyone know where else I could look to try to find out more about Charles Rushton's naval career?

Thanks,
Geoff Turner     

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