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My great great grandfather was an Edwin Rothwell born in Rochdale in 1845 per the 1851 and '61 census, although I haven't found a birth or bapt. record for him.  At age 6 in 1851 he was living with and was being raised by his uncle and aunt William and Ann Clegg in Rochdale (or that area), who don't seem to have had other children, per the census, and in 1861 he was living at age 16 with his widowed aunt Ann Clegg while he was working as a plumber.
Ann was originally from Fewston, a town north of Leeds, and I think William Clegg was from Rochdale (or at least he was per the 1851 census I think), so it might be more likely that William was Edwin's mother's brother, and if so his mother was a Clegg too (William certainly wasn't his father's brother), than that Ann was his father's sister (and therefore a Rothwell) or his mother's mother, but either case is certainly possible too.
I assume Edwin's mother died before he was 6 but I don't know of course (there was a miserable mortality rate for the locals in Rochdale and in Lancashire generally in the 1840s), and I don't know who his father was or what became of him.
Does anyone have any info. that might shine some light re Edwin Rothwell born in @ 1845 in Rochdale and these Cleggs???
Thank you in any event.

Here's a link to a thread re Rothwells and, interestingly, Cleggs.:  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=319463.msg2003306#msg2003306

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Hello, 

My great great grandmother was a Mary Campbell who was born in 1820 or 1821 in Scotland (or so she reported to a census-taker).  I don't know where in Scotland she was born or to whom, but I do know that she was Roman Catholic and that she was disowned when she became pregnant with one Mary-Ann to whom my great great grandfather John Bertram was the father.  Mary-Ann or Mary-Anne was born less than 9 mos. after her parents were married in St. Augustine's Catholic church in Rustico, Prince Edward Island.  I don't assume she was disowned immediately as she and John were married in a Catholic church, but she was eventually or soon enough according to what I had been told by elderly relatives in the early 1990s.    I'm a bit surprised that she would have been Catholic with the surname Campbell, as the Campbell clan is a prime candidate for the most enfranchised in Scotland, certainly in 1820 or 1821, and I understand that the Catholic population was quite small in Scotland at that time as well.   But I understand that a substantial portion of the Scots-Catholic population emigrated to Atlantic Canada, to Cape Breton Island and Prince Edward Island specifically from Gaelic-speaking regions (today it's said that more Scots-Gaelic is spoken in Cape Breton than in Scotland).   I came across a message board recently in which a man from Cape Breton who descends from a Catholic Campbell who emigrated to that Island, questioned the tradition in his family that his ancestor was from North Uist.  It could well have been on this very site as I've found, or refound, this.:  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=153724.9   Was that possible he asked, as he understood that North Uist was Protestant and South Uist was Catholic?  1 or 2 contributors responded that there were some Catholics in North Uist as well.   The fact that this man's Catholic Campbell ancestor came from either Uist is the only evidence  or slight clue that I've come across as to where Mary Campbell might have come from.   That, and something I read once which was written in another message board that the writer believed there were Catholic Campbells on the North shore of Loch Tay (but which seems to be a bit exposed for Catholics in an age when they were really picked on).   I wonder how I might learn about the provenance and any history of Catholic Campbells in Scotland.  How long were there Campbells in the Hebrides or in Catholic territory in Scotland?

I'd be fascinated to read any information or any advice that anyone might have to share and I'd be very appreciative.
Thank you!

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Hello,

I am a descendant of one Thomas Bertram, a protestant from somewhere in Ireland who was stationed and living in 'St. John's Isle', latter day Prince Edward Island, in the first decade of the 19th century when he was a Private in the Royal Artillery.  He had 5 children with a woman named Margaret whose surname varies between Morris and Morrison in the baptismal records at St. Paul's Anglican in Charlottetown, and the 5th child, my great great great grandfather John Bertram, was born in 1812.  (All five children were baptized by the interesting Theophilus DesBrisay, who had been captured by American privateers in the mid 1770s and who served as a chaplain on a man-of-war for 2 yr.s)  Thomas Bertram then had 2 more children with a Margaret Durpre or Dwyre, it's hard to make out the handwriting in the baptismal record.     Would anyone have any advice as to whether there might be records extant as to this Private and how I might avail myself of them?   I'm wondering of course where in Ireland he was from, where Margaret Morris or Morrison was from (and whether the name is Morris or Morisson), and anything else that I can learn about him.   I'm also curious as to the nature of his life and work at the time as he was in what is today Atlantic Canada throughout the course of the War of 1812.  What was the nature and extent of the Royal Artillery's involvement in that war, and what might have been the extent of his own?  I understand that Charlottetown was tiny in those days.  He was interred in 'the old Protestant burying ground' in Charlottetown but I assume his stone is illegible as I can't find any record of it.

If anyone can share any information or advice I'd be appreciative.

Thank you



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