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Thomas Watts and Sarah Jane were living together from 1870 onwards https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBC1-BHD. As far as I know they ve not married before Apr 1880 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66GP-L16J. Up until then Sarah Jane has most likely been married to Henry Black  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DC4-6PN who seems to have left her pretty soon after their marriage.

Thomas and Sarah Jane had a few children from 1870 onwards. All children bore the surname Watts. In GRO, the relevant MMN is Roebuck.
like:
- Annie Watts
Jul 1870 • Halifax, Yorkshire
GRO: WATTS, ANNIE       ROEBUCK
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in HALIFAX  Volume 09A  Page 509
- Alice Watts (April 1872, Rawmarsh),
- Caroline Watts (b 23 Apr 1877, 11 Meadow Works, Rawmarsh)
All of their children so far have been bapt on Sep 21 1880, Rawmarsh, St Mary The Virgin (parents: Thomas Watts, Sarah Jane Watts) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66BT-TSLM.

I ve got Caroline's birth register entry. It says: Name of Mother: Jane Watts, late Black, formerly Roebuck. What does it mean? Still Sarah Jane Black???
 
What was the surname given to children born out of wedlock to parents living together during this time? Is the father's name conceivable?

Thank you

Dear all,

I am researching the ancestors of Miriam Hopkinson. Here is the long story. You'll find my questions at the end

Miriam Hopkinson, b 3 oct 1879 Brampton, Derbs, bap 23 nov 1879 Saint Peter, Old Brampton, Derbs

Mother: Mary Emma Bann, b Dec 1851 Poynton, Cheshire, bapt 1 Feb 1852 Prestbury, Cheshire. Mary Emma had a bro William.
William had a dau Lavinia, Lavinia was witness for Miriam’s wedding.

Father: John Hopkinson, b abt 1840. John had a sis Ellen and a bro William. Died nov 1902, buried 27 nov 1902 Clowne

Miriam married Henry Deakin on 8 Jan 1902 in Clowne, Derbs. They named their children Henry, Leslie, Alice Emily, Stanley, Carrie and Lionel. Apart from Henry I couldn’t find these forenames anywhere else in their families.


Census 1901 Clowne, Derbs
John (60yrs, b in Boythorpe, Derbs, coal miner), Mary E (49yrs, born in Poynton)
Miriam (21yr Brampton), John (19yrs, Brampton, Derbs, coal miner), Samuel (16yrs, Brampton), Harry (14yrs, Brampton), William (11yrs, grandson), William H Bann (Mary E's bro, 47yrs, coal miner, b in Poynton)
(I have found this document: John Hopkinson, b 1882 brampton moor, Brampton, bapt 16 mar 1882 Brampton, married Clarice Vardy on 4 Aug 1908 . His father was John Hopkinson, Gardener (deceased))

Census 1891 Mapperley, Derbs
John (50yrs, b in Walton, Derbs, Coachman / domestic Serv), Mary E (39yrs, born in Poynton), Mary Ellen (16yrs, b in Barlow), John (9 yrs, b in Brampton), Samuel (6yrs, Brampton), Harry (4yrs, b in Brampton), William R. (grandson, b in Barlow)

Census 1891 Little Common, Brampton, Derbs
Miriam (11yrs, scholar, b in Brampton) visits William Hopkinson. (Son of Ann Hopk., 37 yrs, b in Walton, Derbs, labourer) and Ellen Hopk, (dau of Ann Hopk, 47yrs, born in Woodthorpe, cotton winder)

Census 1881 Quarry Lane, Brampton, Derbs
John (40yrs, b in Hasland, Derbs, laborer), Mary E (29yrs, born in Poynton)
Emily (11yrs b in Brampton), Mary Ellen (6yrs, b in Great Barlow), Margaret (4yrs, Brampton), Miriam (1yr Brampton) / Visitor: Leah Bann (Mary E had a sis called Leah, b 1861)

Census 1881 Little Common, Brampton, Derbs
Ann Hopkinson (67yrs, Widow, b in Woodthorpe, Derbs), Ellen (dau of Ann, 36yrs, born in Woodthorpe, cotton winder), William (Son of Ann., 27 yrs, b in Walton, Derbs, laborer)

Census 1871 Brampton, Derbs
Robert Hopkinson (55yrs, Gardener, b in North Wingfield, Derbs), Ann (55yrs, b in Woodthorpe, Derbs), Ellen (dau of Ann, 26yrs, born in Woodthorpe, mill hand), William (Son of Ann Hopk., 17 yrs, b in Walton, Derbs, gardener), Eliza (22yrs, mill hand, b in Brampton), Ann E (13yrs, mill hand, b in Brampton)
// next door //
John Hopkinson (30yrs, gardener, b in Hasland), Sarah (26yrs, b in Brampton), Amelia (Emily) (1yr, b in Brampton)
(Due to Derbyshire Courier 03 June 1865 a John Hopkinson married a Sarah Rhodes on 3 Jun 1865 at the Wesleyan Chapel, Saltergate, Chesterfield. Sarah died in August 1871 at the age of 27).

Census 1861 Brampton, Derbs
Robert Hopkinson (44yrs, ag labourer, b in Wingfield, Derbs), Ann (44yrs, b in Woodthorpe, Derbs), John (20yrs, ag laborer, b in Hasland), Ellen (16yrs, b in Woodthorpe, cotton winder), William (7 yrs, b in Walton, Derbs), Eliza (12yrs, b in Brampton), Ann Elizabeth (3yrs, b in Brampton)
// next door //
John Briggs (39 yrs, coal miner, b in Tupton) with family. Robert’s wife Ann is nee Briggs; John is obviously her bro.

Census 1861 New Whittington , Derbs
David Bann (30yrs), Sarah Ann nee Booth (27 yrs), Mary Emma (9yrs, Worth, Poynton, Cheshire), William Henry (7yrs), Elizabeth (5yrs), Leah (1yr)

Census 1851 Newbold and Dunston, Brampton, Derbs
Robert Hopkinson (35yrs, labourer, b in North Wingfield, Derbs), Ann (35yrs, b in Woodthorpe, Derbs), John (12yrs, b in Hasland), Mary (10yrs, b in Tupton), Ellen (7yrs, b in Woodthorpe, cotton winder), Eliza (2yrs, b in Brampton)

Census 1841 North Wingfield, Chesterfield, Derbs
Robert Hopkinson (25yrs, railway labourer, not born in Derbs), Ann (25yrs, b in Derbs), John (10mths, b in Derbs), Charles (4yrs, b in Derbs)
Next door: Luke and Esther Briggs, Ann’s bro with his wife



I wonder whether these two conclusions are correct or not:

Robert Hopkinson and Ann nee Briggs are John’s parents. John Hopkinson was born Q3 1840, District Chesterfield. I couldn’t find his bapt.

I've found:
John Hopkinson, 30yrs, Widower, Laborer, (father: John Hopkinson, gardener)
married on 17 Mar 1872 in Brampton, St Thomas, Derbs,
Mary Emma Band, 20yrs, spinster, (father: David Band, coal miner)

Problems:
Wrong name spelling (Band instead of Bann), Mary Emma Bann’s father was David Bann, coal miner, though.
Wrong father for John, should have been Robert ...
However I couldn’t find any other marriage close to this one.

Coincidence or not? Ann Elizabeth’s (b 1857) marriage document (she mard 27 Oct 1878 Saint Thomas, Old Brampton, Derbs James Potter) said originally: Her father is John Hopkinson. There has been made the following correction in 1886: In entry no 204 column 7 for John read Robert. Corrected on 28th July 1886 by me ... in the presence of James Potter …
Could the same error have been made at John’s marriage???

Hmm, John's occupations do vary widely: gardener, ag laborer, coachman, coal miner ...

Thank you in advance

Dear all,

I ve got no idea at all about St Nicholas Graveyard ...

Alice Wilson has been buried at St. Nicholas (prob George Wilson as well). I would be very grateful for further information on her grave. Maybe someone is familiar with St Nicholas Graveyard and can help me.

LAN-OPC:
Burial: 6 Sep 1855 St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale, Lancashire, England
Alice Wilson - Wife of George Wilson
    Age: 41 years
    Abode: Bridleway
    Buried by: J. Johnson Bacup
    Register: Burials 1848 - 1860, Page 143, Entry 1138
    Source: Original Parish Register

Thank you!

Hello,

could someone pls complete the first sentence? I read:

"In the name of God Amen. I Godfrey Watts of in Brampton, in this county of Derby () Yeoman."

Thank you !!!

Hey there,

is there someone else researching on Warbrick family of Poulton le sands, Bare, Torrisholme, Skerton between 1600 and 1800?
Quite confusing all these Williams and Elizabeths ...

I ve written down (data are from LAN OPC, father-son-relations are sometimes just a guess, like for Robert-William):

Robert Warbrick, b about 1670, mard 4 Aug 1700 Broughton Near Preston (Ellen Leaver, bur 16 May 1751 Cockerham)
son:
William Warbrick, b 1696, bapt 20 Feb 1696 (Cockerham, St Michael, Father: Rob Warbrick), mard 24 May 1719 St Mary, Lancaster (Ellen Lawson), bur 11 Apr 1766 St Mary, Lancaster (Abode: Skerton)
son:
William Warbrick, b 1723 Skerton, bapt Apr 1723 Lancaster, St Mary, mard 24 Nov 1747 Lancaster, St Mary (Elizabeth Wilson), d 1799 Torrisholme, bur 18 Sep 1799 Holy Trinity, Poulton-le-Sands
son:
William Warbrick, b 1752 Poulton le sands, bapt 1 Okt 1752 Holy Trinity, Poulton-le-Sands, mard 20 Aug 1776 Lancaster, St Mary (Ellin Tomlinson), d Jan 1838 Poulton-Le-Sands, bur 14 Jan 1838  Poulton-Le-Sands, Holy Trinity
son:
John Warbrick, b 1777 Bare, bapt 8. Jun 1777 Holy Trinity, Poulton-le-sands, mard 6 Jul 1799 Saint Mary, Lancaster, (Mary Dodgson), d Dez 1823 Clitheroe, bur 19 Dez 1823 Clitheroe, St Mary Magdalene

I ve got their sibblings as well.

I mainly would like to know, if someone else has got some of these people in his/her tree.

Thank you