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The Common Room / Publishing a finding from research
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 10:46 GMT (UK)  »
There are two related parts to this note - hope it is not too long.

First of all I would like to thank RootsChat contributors who helped me around two years ago with some assistance in deciphering and interpreting handwriting and contents of some seventeenth century letters when I was trying to resolve some connections within the Temple family.  These helped but still left me with some gaps.  The breakthrough came last year when I was given access to a financial document in a private archive which included the statement 'My sister Mary Temple married Adrian Scroop'.

Following up this statement I have been able to prove that in about 1644 Mary Temple of Frankton, Warwickshire, was indeed the second wife of the regicide Adrian Scroop/Scrope of Wormsley, Buckinghamshire, who was hanged drawn and quartered at Charing Cross in 1660, and to identify several children of this marriage.  There is no direct legal documentation of this marriage (parish registers, licences), apart from the statement in the financial document, so the proof relies on interrelations between about 10 different sources - letters, wills, apprenticeships etc - over a period of more than one hundred years, not helped by the second marriage producing at least three children given the same names as children from Adrian's first marriage.

Adrian Scrope is famous enough to have an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and a wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Scrope (largely based on the ODNB entry and on the Visitation of Yorkshire) but neither of these, or any other biographical entries, contain any reference to the second marriage and additional children.

The second part of my note is a question - what can I do with this?  It would be good to at least be able to get the wikipedia entry updated, but all good quality wikipedia information requires sources and it should not be used for original research/discoveries.  The correlation of the various sources to prove the marriage is too complex for a simple wiki addition.  I would like to find some way to publish my findings, which wikipedia could then reference.  I have written up my research and offered my article to a couple of history publications but they did not consider Scrope to be important enough to justify publication.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What is this Latin word?
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 09:53 GMT (UK)  »
This is from a 1587 church register entry.  I can understand that Anthony Leson was buried but what is the descriptive word?  It could be describing him as a gent - he was lord of the manor - but I cannot match the word in any latin dictionaries.


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London and Middlesex / St Andrew by the Wardrobe
« on: Saturday 21 January 23 09:59 GMT (UK)  »
I am interested in a marriage from 1643/4 at St Andrew by the Wardrobe.

I can find a record on FamilySearch, and with an image on Ancestry which shows me the text from the register and shows a marriage between 'Adryan Scobe' and 'Marie Kempe' on 6 Jan 1643.  The image shows that this record is a handwritten transcription (all the entries clearly written in the same hand, none of the variation that would be seen in an original register).

I would like to know if there is any chance that the original register might be available - I want to see whether this could be a mistranscribed entry for a marriage I am looking for between Adrian Scrope and Mary Temple.

The LMA index suggests their data is what has been imaged for Ancestry.  Is there anywhere else I might find the original?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What is this word?
« on: Thursday 10 November 22 16:33 GMT (UK)  »
This is a small snip from a large legal document from 1658.

I have highlighted a word that appears three times in the image.  In the context of the document it is possible that this word could be 'consents' but all the information I can find on interpreting early modern english suggests that the abbreviated form of 'con-' is shaped more like a numeral 9 than the shape in my image.

If I am correct, the three lines would read
.. said Thomas Temple doth by these [consents] acknowledge and thereof ..
.. by these [consents] and for an in consideration of the sum of five ..
.. and by these [consents] do clearly and absolutely grant ..


Can anyone show me any confirmation that my interpretation of the text is correct?

Thank you

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The Common Room / Richard Temple 1703 Administration
« on: Wednesday 03 August 22 08:43 BST (UK)  »
I am researching a Richard Temple and particularly his death in 1703.

From a published genealogical study in 1899 I have an entry stating

April 21st 1703.  Commission to Dame Mary Molesworth, widow, sister of Richard Temple, Ar., late a Captain in the Legion of the Hon Coll Columbine, bachelor, dec.

I have found military records showing that Temple joined Columbine's regiment and in 1702/3 probably died at sea in the West Indies.

In the appendix to the 1899 book there is a listing of "wills and administration of persons of the name of Temple, from 1383 to 1796, on file in Doctors' Commons, London, England" which shows an entry

1703  Richard Temple.  Parts beyond sea.  Admin.

My questions are:
I would like to confirm the administration record.  Reading around suggests that the "Doctors Commons" may be generic and may include records now in the National Archive.  In the TNA records I am led towards PROB 6/79 Administration Act Book for 1703, with 251 portfolios. 

Am I looking in the right place?
Would this show me anything useful beyond confirming what I have from the 1899 book?  For example are there any details of the contents or value of the estate in administration?  The NA guide also suggests that the entry may be in Latin, is this correct?

I am trying to decide whether or not it is worth the trip to TNA to look for the record.

Thank you for any guidance

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Is this Latin a record of the Banns
« on: Saturday 02 July 22 17:31 BST (UK)  »
This item is a record from a parish register of 1656

I believe this is just a record of the reading of the banns before the wedding, and not the wedding itself.

The first line describes it as the marriage of Nicholas Carew, Armiger, and Susanna Isham of Lamport in the county of Northampton.
Does the rest tell me that the banns were read in the church on April 13th, 20th and 27th?
FamilySearch interprets the record as being a marriage on the 27th but other records suggest the marriage was (probably at Lamport but I cannot find that record) on May 4th

I am interested because it is the only entry of its kind in the parish register for the whole of the 17th century


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What is this disease?
« on: Tuesday 07 June 22 18:23 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for help with an illness.  This is from a 17th century letter describing a person with a feverish illness.

I think this section says

recover, for they are able so to sit up and walk a little, Rose
Badcoke hath been in the same manner and their disease is
called the ranes, and in some places many die of it.

What could 'the ranes' mean?

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Family History Beginners Board / How to fill in the gaps
« on: Wednesday 11 May 22 13:54 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for some suggestions on how to fill in some (possibly) missing names.

I am researching Mary Temple, born in Frankton, Warks in 1616.
In 1642 Mary, her sister, brother-in-law and other family members were forced to flee Frankton after their house was was threatened by royalist forces.  The last positive evidence I have of Mary is an archived letter written from her brother-in-law's house in London on 18 August 1642, describing the events.

I have been looking at another letter from the archive which appears to have been miscatalogued and may be from Mary to her niece.  The letter does not have the name of the sender or recipient (just aunt, niece - and I know these were more flexibly used in those days) and is undated but there are references to some other family members (brother, uncle) which could match.  To my untrained eye there are similarities in the handwriting, although that could just be standard early modern writing.

If this letter really is from Mary then it could help extend my knowledge.  In the letter she mentions her 'dafter addams' and 'dafter whatams' which I have assumed refer to married daughters and their surnames.  She also refers to other children - Edmund and Moll.

My problem is knowing how to fill in the gaps.  I do not know Mary's married name, I have tried searching for marriages of Mary Temple in Ancestry but not found anything that seems to match.  Although her brother had returned to Frankton by 1645, Mary could have married in London, Warwickshire or through family contacts in Sussex or Buckinghamshire, or other places.  Without their maiden names or even first names or locations it is difficult to trace the daughters - Addams or Adams is a common name and Whatams seems to be a misspelling of something else, but again I have not traced it.

I would guess the date of the letter is between 1660 and 1665 - based on the existence of married daughters when Mary was unmarried in 1642 so 1660 is probably the earliest, and a name given in the letter of a girl who married in 1665 which suggests a latest date.

Any suggestions on how to fill these gaps?

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Sussex Lookup Requests / The Keep - Brighton
« on: Tuesday 12 April 22 11:23 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone help me with some information from The Keep?

The Keep has a microfilm publicly available in the Reference Room containing an archive of letters, some of which date from the 17th century and the Temple family of Frankton, Warwickshire, which I am researching.

I visited a few weeks ago and took copies of letters and some transcripts but after analysis I realise that for one letter I only have the transcript, which appears to have a dating anomaly which I would like to try to resolve by seeing the image of the original letter.

If anybody is visiting and would be prepared to find this for me (saving me a 350 mile round trip) then I can provide the reference details and would be very grateful.

Thank you

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