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The Common Room / Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« on: Sunday 11 October 20 21:53 BST (UK)  »
Posting here as it includes Brecon and Radnorshire and Liandod, and Hereford, and London, and Gloucestershire!
Greensleeves and I are working on the history of a mill in Wales. We have discovered a mystery with one branch. This is what we know:

Beatrice Mary Selena Renders was born September quarter 1869 Builth, Brecknockshire, Wales., mother’s maiden name Phillips. We can find no marriage of a Sarah Phillips and a Renders apart from one in Kensington, London in March quarter 1869 when a Sarah Louise Phillips married and Alfred Hector Maximillian Renders. There is no sign of this man either before or after the marriage.

In 1871 Beatrice (listed as Mary Renders)  and her mother Sarah Renders (married) are with Sarah’s mother Selina Phillips in Builth. No sign of her father, but Sarah says she is a seamstress, wife of a teacher.

In the June quarter 1872, Sarah Renders married Alfred Handley in Builth. They are together in 1881 with several children. Beatrice is still with her grandmother.

1891 Beatrice is back with her mother and stepfather in Maesmynis.

In 1911 Beatrice is in Gloucestershire with her "husband" Henry Froggatt, born 1862 Holme Lacy Herefordshire, a commercial traveller in farm machinery. They claim to be married 15 years, but again no sign of a marriage. Interesting that in this census Beatrice claims to be born in London. They don’t have any children. In 1901 Henry is lodging in Cumberland but it doesn’t give his status.

Beatrice M S Froggatt dies in Abergavenny 1933 aged 64.

Can anyone find:
Another Phillips/Renders marriage.
A marriage for Beatrice Renders to Henry Froggatt
Beatrice Renders/Froggatt in 1901
Any sign of the mysterious Alfred Hector Maximillian Renders.

We know we could get the marriage certificate and Beatrice’s birth, but as it is a distant branch don’t want to unless really necessary.


The Common Room / Marriages in Church Porches.
« on: Saturday 08 August 20 13:02 BST (UK)  »
I've recently read a couple of books set in the 1500s, where the couple have married in the church porch and then gone into the church for the Mass or blessing. Two were in this country and one was in France. When did this custom stop?

The Stay Safe Board / Have we been here before?
« on: Wednesday 22 July 20 17:45 BST (UK)  »
I’m re-reading “World Without End” by Ken Follett and have just reached the part when the plague has arrived at the town of Kingsbridge. One of the main characters has returned from Florence after surviving “ La Moria grande.”  He is telling, Caris, a nun who works in the hospital , what the Italians did.

 " In Florence the nuns counselled us to stay at home as much as possible and avoid social gatherings, markets and meetings of guilds and councils. The nuns wore linen masks over their mouths and noses and washed their hands in vinegar after touching the patients.”  Sound familiar?

Have you read any fiction or non fiction that could almost describe how we have dealt with Covid 19?

The Stay Safe Board / Driving Tests restart
« on: Wednesday 22 July 20 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Driving tests ( in England ) have restarted today, but with safety measures in place. One is you aren’t allowed to use the toilet at the test centre! Another is that as soon as you make a major mistake that’s the end of the test, so in theory the test could end in 5 minutes! I suppose though if you are allowed to continue to the end, you know you have passed.

Did you pass first time or did it take several attempts? Any horror stories about your test?

The Lighter Side / Picturing the Family
« on: Sunday 26 January 20 23:25 GMT (UK)  »
Has anyone done this free course from the Open University and if so, is it worth it?

Technical Help / Problems with Skype
« on: Saturday 03 August 19 12:28 BST (UK)  »
I am having problems sending messages to one person on my contact list. I can receive messages from them,  but when I reply it just says "sending" and the wheel goes round. This has only happened in the last few days, before that it has been fine for years. No other contacts or groups are affected, I can send and receive from them as normal.

I've looked on line and a few others have have had the same problem, but as far as I can see there hasn't been a solution. I've tried deleting the contact and re-adding, clearing all previous conversation, restarting Skype. I've now suggested that they do the same. Has any one come across this before, if so, how did you solve it?

I use a Macbook Pro, iPad and iPhone and it is the same on all three devices. I have the latest edition of Skype.

The Common Room / Banns v Licence
« on: Saturday 16 December 17 19:55 GMT (UK)  »
My great great grandmother Maria Elizabeth Hoare married her first husband James Moore Penfold on the 20th August 1828 at St Martins in the Fields, London. James was a solicitor and almost 22 at the time of the marriage and Maria was 21. Her mother and stepfather were witnesses. According  to the parish records, Maria was of that parish.

However, the marriage was by licence rather than banns and the licence was granted 2nd June 1828 ie. about 12 weeks before they married. Why would they have applied for a licence rather than just have the banns called? I thought licences were granted so that you could marry quickly?

James died 3 years later and Maria then married my great great grandfather, who was a gardener - so quite a change in her circumstances I would think!

The Common Room / England in the time of Richard III - free course
« on: Wednesday 23 August 17 14:56 BST (UK)  »
This free FutureLearn course "England in the Time of Richard III" starts next week. I first did it just before he was reinterred so thought I'd refresh my memory and see what they've added. I found it fascinating the first time round. Probably one of the best courses I've done.

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