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Kent / Hever Church in John Philipot's 1600s Survey of Kent
« on: Tuesday 21 May 24 23:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello I am looking into St Peter's Church in Hever and I understand that this man visited and that his account of the church was published.

I am a bit confused about where this was published as he did publish a Visitation of Kent which he recorded from 1619 to 1621 here:

However Hever is not in this volume.

I know that he talks about his Kent Survey in his will and it was apparently published under the name of his son in 1659.
Does anyone know where I can read his 17th century account of Hever Church please?

And if anyone knows of any other early descriptions of Hever Church, I would please love to know about them too.

Thank you,

Cornwall / Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Friday 29 March 24 21:46 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Cornwall Rootschatters,

Does anyone please know where the records of the seaman's hospital in Falmouth, founded in 1750, are located?

It was called the Seamen's Hospital, but there was also a Sailor's Home whose dates overlap.

Did one of them became the tropical diseases hospital? It really is hard to find information online.

I really need to go through the British Newspaper Archive at some point to check. But these hospitals were open not that long ago. Where did their records go?

I am interested in this due to the 'sailor's sixpence' pension related muster rolls that survive in Whitby, Yorkshire, from the hospital there:

I therefore wondered if Falmouth had a seamen's hospital and indeed it turns out it did, established in 1750:

I could find nothing online other than this, but then searched in google books and it comes up with a wealth of information.

Some links are here:

A panorama of Falmouth ... Being a complete guide to the ... - Page 52


History and Description of the Town and Harbour of Falmouth - Page 89 Richard Thomas (Civil engineer) · 1827:

Journals of the House of Lords - Volumes 53-64 - Page 301 Great Britain. Parliament. House of Lords · 1855:
British Islands Pilot - Volume 1 - Page 111 United States. Hydrographic Office · 1915:
Life in Cornwall in the Early Nineteenth Century - Page 85 Rita Margaret Barton · 1997:
Secret Flotillas: Clandestine sea operations to Brittany, ... - Page 102 Brooks Richards · 2004:

As you see it started in 1750 and was still there in 1941.

The articles show that exactly the same process as survives in Whitby was taking place in Falmouth. And presumably all seamen's hospitals across the country.

This 2015 articles quoting something from a hundred year's ago that is called the "Royal Cornwall Sailor’s Home":
This leaflet states the hospital was at Bank Place:

There is an 1868 reference to Bank House in this google books page of The Mercantile navy list. 1848 [4 issues], 49 [2 issues], ... - Page 5 Trade Board of · 1868:
There is a document in Kresen Kernow from 1902-1903, but no idea what it is about:
There is mention of the hospital's foundation stone laying here:
Also an 1867 article states it was called the "Royal Cornwall Sailor's Home in 1867:
As I said though, I am confused about whether these are two hospitals or one that had two different names.

Does anyone please know anything about these hospitals and what happened to their records?

Thank you,

The Common Room / Merchant Seaman records 1840s - help with information in document
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 23:32 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Rootschat,

I am looking at a merchant seaman record for William Thomas Bastian, which was made in 1844 for the commencement of the new ticket issue system that began in 1845.

There are details for some voyages for the years, but I have no idea what all the references mean. Can anyone please help?

In 1851 he was in the Dreadnought Hospital in Greenwich and is stated to have last been on the Midlothian, which was presumably that year, but there is nothing in the 1851 column. I believe this was a transportation ship, so is this on another register?

He was last seen in the 1871 census as a mariner but is dead by 1881 and no idea what happened to him. I think he may have died on a voyage, but not found later mariner records for him yet.

Thank you any help you may be able to give me.



Dear Rootschat,

I wonder if there is anyone who might regularly go to the Somerset Heritage Centre and might please be able to look at details on three people in records there.

I don't think I have ever asked for an archives look up here before, so no idea if this is even possible, but thought I would try.

I have long been researching the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel and visited this place last year but didn't go to the archives. It would be helpful to know which further details the actual records contain.

These are the three records:

HOPKINS, Charles: Removal Order from parish of deposit - 44 - St Pancras, Middlesex to Yeovil - 1821
HOPKINS, Charles: Removal Order; Settlement Examination - 21 - Curry Rivel to St Pancras, Middlesex - 1821
HOPKINS, George: Settlement Examination - 416 - Born at Curry Rivel - 1829

With thanks and best wishes,

The Common Room / Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures 1710-1811
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 23:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hello can someone please help explain the dates listed in these records:

I understand that the dates in the document are when the stamp duty was paid and also the date of the articles of apprenticeship.

However there is a date at the top of each list of names and also a date to the right and a date to the left.

I am not clear on why there are three dates. If someone could explain that would be amazing.

Thank you,

Quaker Family History / Quaker Family History Society YouTube channel
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 17:06 GMT (UK)  »
Dear all,

This is to let everyone know that the Quaker Family History Society YouTube channel can be found here:

Please subscribe to the channel for video updates and like our videos.

Two playlists which might be a good starting point are the programme of talks from the QFHS Spring Meeting in Leominster, Herefordshire in 2016:

And more recently, "Members' Discoveries: Celebrating 30 Years of QFHS", where people shared their 2023 lightbulb moments, research and discoveries:

We would now like to continue expanding the content.

If you would like to record yourself at home talking about an ancestor or your family for the channel, you can do this at home using zoom.

You can just record yourself, or record yourself screen sharing a PowerPoint presentation, or even talking through your family tree online or on your computer software.

You can then share the link in your zoom account for the recorded video to be downloaded and it can be uploaded to the channel.

I hope you enjoy seeing what is now available on the channel!

Best wishes,
Jonny Wicken

Quaker Family History / Osborne family of Falmouth, Cornwall c1779-1822
« on: Thursday 25 January 24 04:07 GMT (UK)  »
I have always known about my North East England Quaker roots, but not so long ago I discovered that there was another branch with Quaker roots in Cornwall.

I know very little about Cornish Quakers and I am hoping that there may be someone who knows more than I about the Falmouth Meeting.

Peter Osborne and Elizabeth Mitchell or Michell married on 5 January 1775 at Mevagissey, Cornwall, by licence.

They had several children whose births at Mevagissey are recorded in the Quaker registers in Cornwall between 1779 and 1790, but the records state they were 'not in unity'.

Their son William also has his child's birth in 1818 also recorded in the Quaker registers, with the comment stating he was not a member.

I have not idea what happened to Peter Osborne. Some online trees have a death as 1789, but I have no idea of the source.

However his wife Elizabeth was buried in the Quaker burial ground at Falmouth in 1822, where their son William had also been buried in 1820.

She was stated to not be a member, but unlike the 1818 birth of his son, there is no such comment on William's burial.

I have not found any Quaker links to the family before 1779, so I am a bit confused about their connection to the Quakers when the registers all state they were not in unity or were not members.

I also understand that in 1964, the burials in the New Street burial ground, used between 1811 and 1889, were reburied at Budock Friends Burial Ground.

I would be very interested to know if there was an excavation report or for more details of the Falmouth Quakers.

If anyone can please help with any of the above, I would love to hear from you.

Thank you,
Jonny Wicken   

Armed Forces / 1878 sinking of SMS Grosser Kurfürst off Folkestone, Kent
« on: Thursday 21 December 23 00:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi I am interested in the crew that died and the crew that survived of the warship Grosser Kurfurst, after it sunk on 31 May 1878.

The ship has its own wikipedia page here which outlines the disaster:

Apparently 200 people died and apparently about 180 survived, but the full names and lives of these men have been forgotten.

There is a partial crew list here:

The Friends of Folkestone Cemetery where many of the men are buried have also created a virtual cemetery here with the names in the burial registers:

It seems the two lists do not quite match up and I am looking for help on where to find a list and service records of the dead and surviving men.

I know from the British Newspaper Article that the body of Count Liverrin was found and taken back to Germany in June 1878.

British Newspaper Archive articles state that the body of the boat's commander Count Liverrin was found and taken back to Germany in June 1878. I have no idea who this man was and where he was buried. trees also have Ernst Gottlieb Messtorff (1855–1878) and Johann Gerhard Popken (1848-1878) dying in the sinking, but they are not buried in Folkestone, or on the lists above.

There is a large monument which was erected in Folkestone Cemetery in 1880 which still survives.

Wikipedia also states that "Another monument was placed in front of the barracks of I. Seebataillon to memorialize the naval infantry who had died in the sinking."

Can anyone also please tell me where these barracks were and help me find out if it survives, or an illustration of it?

Any help or guidance on all this would be appreciated as I have no idea about German military records.

Thank you,

Technical Help / Messaging multiple people in one message on ancestry
« on: Monday 06 November 23 22:45 GMT (UK)  »
Ancestry now has the function to message multiple people and this should be helpful for DNA clusters to message them all together.

However, ancestry has more than one user with the same name, so how do I know which person is which when I select them? Can anyone please help with this?

For example I have in a DNA matches, a person called Sue. Let's give her the surname Grimes. She has a photo in her profile, but when I type in Sue Grimes, it brings up the accounts of 8 Sue Grimes, not one of which has the photo.

How am I supposed to therefore add them to this group message and know I have the correct one?!

If we could see the ancestry user name in DNA matches, as opposed to just the name, then we could resolve this. But right now I have no idea how to use the multiple message function effectively.

Does anyone please have any tips at all?


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