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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Laversuch/Loversuch baptisms Houghton Regis, 1866
« on: Saturday 12 January 19 06:11 GMT (UK)  »
Has anybody got access to Houghton Regis baptisms for 1866?

Transcribed as Loversuch, but thought to be Laversuch, John and Thomas, parents John and Mary, baptised 22 May 1866 (from England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975)

John was born in 1857, Thomas in 1865.  If it's the family I'm thinking of John Laversuch senior was a railway labourer, but I didn't know the family were in Bedfordshire at that time.

Thanks in advance, Margaret

Not strictly DNA related, but helpful.

GRO for sometime have offered mother's maiden name and age at death for birth and death registrations beginning 1837, as you probably know.

GRO is helpful, but has restrictions - search for male or female within a 5 year span. This can be quite time consuming, especially if you don't know the name or specific time frame.  And before 1911 census, there is no indication of any 'missing' siblings.

Findmypast now offer the same service - incomplete in some cases, presumably they are working on it.

You can search any sex, any year, just as you would for any other record and it will also pick up alternative spellings.

Very useful, gives a rounder picture and fills in where there are apparently large gaps in children's ages in census.

I have already found some unexpected results

Regards Margaret

I have an ancestor whose age in various records varies dramatically, which made finding his parentage quite difficult.

Marriage in 1810
1841 - Benjamin Brigden, M, 45, Cow Keeper, Y - born c 1792 - 1796
1851 - Benjamin Brigden, Head, Mar, M, 43, Dairy Man, Kent, Hadlow - born c 1808
1861 - Benjm Brigden, Head, Wid, M, 73, Retired Cowkeeper, Kent, Hadlow - born c 1788
Death - 14 Jan 1871, aged 89 - born c 1782

Disregarding 1851 census as an obvious error, these records give an estimated birth year anywhere between c 1782 and 1796.

Since there were at least 2 possible baptisms in this time frame it is hardly surprising to see him allocated to different parents in Ancestry family trees.

I discarded the baptism in 1796 as being perhaps unlikely, he would have just about been of marriable age by 1810, most other records indicate an earlier year of birth. Some tree owners have plumped for this one.

That left one in 1786, though he could have been baptised in a neighbouring village, or not baptised at all. Most ancestry trees have plumped for this one, son of Solomon Brigden and Elizabeth Welch. A sticking point was, and still is, that he as the eldest son was left nothing in this supposed father's will in 1826.

Along comes DNA testing. I had a lot of matches in this line, some from earlier generations. Most if not all Brigdens of Hadlow originated from the same couple, Benjamin Brigden who married Ann Mansur in 1716 in Hadlow, my 7G grandparents, at the furthest limits of DNA testing.

Not all that helpful deciding Benjamin's parentage initially. However, using the place search for Hadlow, Kent I came across a predicted 4th to 6th cousin with no Brigdens in her family at all.  But she did have the Welch family. A quick check appeared to confirm that Elizabeth Welch above and her Welch were brother and sister.

Eureka!! 1786 baptism appears correct, this would make us 6th cousins.

That is until I decided to trace my matches' family a bit further back. Guess what, she was also descended from Benjamin Brigden and Ann Mansur, 8th cousins from this descent!

However, as she shares 26 cMs with me I think it perhaps more likely that we are more closely related than some of the 8th cousins, who share less than 10 cMs.

Only one has uploaded elsewhere, a sticking point as usual.

For proof positive I need to find a Welch match that has no Brigden ancestry, hopefully the New Year will bring some more matches!

Regards Margaret


I have been using DNA painter for a while now, but as I have had limited success in finding confirmed matches anywhere but Ancestry, I have had limited success with it.

Now I have four matches for my husband from the same line, but at different stages.  One is a great niece, one a second cousin, one a third cousin, the last one a fourth cousin, from paper research.

In DNA painter they show up as matches on some segments, as I was painting the latest one in (3rd cousin) I was alerted to the fact that it overlapped 2 other matches (interestingly not with his great niece, with whom he shares 935 cMs​ over 27 segments, largest segment 114.4 cMs).

2nd cousin isn't at myheritage, the other three are. They are not shown as matches to each other at all.  How come?

I must admit to not fully understanding chromosome matching, partly because of such limited experience in finding valid matches to paint in

If DNAPainter can find a match between them, why can't myheritage?

Regards Margaret

Sussex / Sussex Parish Registers online
« on: Friday 07 December 18 10:47 GMT (UK)  »
A lot of my ancestors were from Sussex, and I have just realised that Familysearch has several parish records available online, not indexed but with images.

However, some of them are online, some of them accessible only at FHC, whilst others don't appear to be available anywhere.

Has anybody got a list of which parishes are viewable where, if at all?  And why would Familysearch make some available to all and some only available at FHC?

Regards Margaret

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Gedmatch - lowering parameters valid match or not?
« on: Tuesday 04 December 18 18:39 GMT (UK)  »
Asking for some thoughts. Sorry about the length of this post.

I mainly post about practical aspects of DNA tests, rather than the scientific. The scientific goes above my head sometimes, especially as I am getting on in years and my brain doesn't seem to understand things as easily as it used to.

I am a member of Steer mailing list, Steer was my maiden name. Quite a few of us descended from the same family have had autosomal DNA testing, but unfortunately do not match each other.

Those who have uploaded to Gedmatch match with me on a very small part of chromosome 6, found only by lowering the parameters, so not really valid matches in DNA terms.

I have access to the results of one list member, TDS, and she has a valid match at ancestry, who I have persuaded to upload to Gedmatch.

He matches her in the same place as the rest of us on chromosome 6, but for 10 cM.

I have painted them all into DNA painter, though documenting that this latest match is not with me, IYSWIM.

Does this imply that the lower matches are valid or not?

On paper, 4 of us are descended from one couple, my 4G Steer grandparents (TDS's 3G grandparents) Others are descended from the previous generation, my 5G Steer grandparents.

Trying to get my head around it.  ???

Regards Margaret

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / myheritageDNA uploads
« on: Monday 26 November 18 06:39 GMT (UK)  »
I can't find the original thread otherwise I would have updated it rather than start a new one - apologies.

myheritageDNA free tools, which are amongst the best I think, will be chargeable for those uploading after November 30th.

Regards Margaret

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Living DNA results
« on: Thursday 22 November 18 15:55 GMT (UK)  »
My LivingDNA results are in today and to say I am underwhelmed is an understatement.

'Keep Fishing! We haven't caught you any matches yet. Finding new relatives means fishing for them in many databases. Spread the word and help turn this fishing pond into an ocean of new matches.'

So, you could say I am expressing my disappointment, or you could say I am spreading the word. Take it whichever way you want to.

Regards Margaret

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