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The Common Room / Parish records pre 1553
« on: Wednesday 29 July 20 21:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi. I also asked this question to scotlandspeople as i am  very curious
The government website has records starting in 1553. I realise  at the time the reformation was beginning.
What about records of baptisms and marriages before that ? I’m sure they were recorded somehow. They were so  interested in illegitimate births and bigamy.  Shouldn’t there  be something ?
Where would they be found ? Or kept ?
Just asking

The Common Room / Assumed name
« on: Monday 01 June 20 02:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone : i’m looking for where I could search for more information. One branch of my family tree has the surname Liverance
Supposedly  the surname Liverance is an “assumed” name from the clerk of the livery in the Royal household. 
In my limited research I have found notations that might say John of such and such a place clerk of the Livery.
The first recorded name is from the parents of a James Liverance in Sterling 1610 - Andrew ( spelled Androw)  Liverance amd Katherine Bying.
So is it possible then that Andrew’s real name isn’t Liverance at all? If i  could find farther back would i find a previous person  “John of such and such a place“ ( made up for this post)  Clerk  of the Liverance  and then when he leaves that post he became John Liverance?
And if this is a possibility, where would I be able to find more mentions of who may have held this post ? The name is also present in Linlithgow as kings messengers.
Later on James Liverance was in charge of the Covington farm and ferry  post. No idea how one gets to be in charge of a ferry post. 
So long question short - is there a place where I could find more names of who were the clerks of the livery  in Scotland?

Please and thank you

The Common Room / professional genealogist resources
« on: Monday 28 October 19 13:13 GMT (UK)  »
H everyone: I have managed to trace loads of branches in my tree using online resources and the Mitchell. Do professionals have access to collections that an ordinal person like me would not? Or are there other sources on Scotland for example other than scotlandspeople? 
  I have managed to trace my Liverance surname to James born 1610 and have the paperwork, which includes his parents. However the trail stops there.  I also found a paper written by a man living in one of the small towns belonging to me who checked gravestones and church sessions before writing his  paper. However some of his data contradicts data from cousins who have done research as well.   I am also aware that many people were less than honest ( or just ignorant)  about their parents , birth dates , names, whether or not they are married  etc.  So sometimes a physical search in some records are a good idea.
My question is -if I hire a professional will they have access to records that I do not, especially for dates before 1600.



Roxburghshire / Jane Main, living with the Sutherland family 1841 census
« on: Tuesday 27 November 18 15:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hello: i hope you don't mind this long  post - I'm trying to  give as much information  as possible in case anyone can point me in the right direction.
I  have been on the trail of my  4X great grandmother- Jane Main. She was born circa 1818-1821 in Roxburgh depending on what sources i use.
On  the 1841 census she is 20 years old living with Christina Sutherland 40, Agnes 45( both "independent" ). Also on the census is Robert 20, John 15. No mention of marital status or relationshoips between them all. The recorder started to write Jane Sutherland but changed it  to Main.  Between 1841 and 1853, Jane married ( or just said she did) John Smith, went to  England where she had three boys - William, 1845, Robert Sutherland Smith  1846, John 1848. Then they were back in Edinburgh where she had Christina 1850, and Janet 1851. Jane died 1853 of decline ( no bloody wonder).  On her son Robert's marriage certificate he put her MS name as Sutherland but on his death cert it is back to Main ( this from his step mother no less)
On the census they all say they were born in Roxburgh but the only BC  for a  Jane Main is to George Main and Elizabeth Routledge. I found an entry for that Jane Main and who she married and it was not my 4X great grandfather.
My questions - and I don't expect anyone to research for me, maybe just a suggestion where i could look)
 1) would these circumstances mean she was adopted by the Sutherlands ? it seems unlikely to me as she was 20 on the census and if she had been adopted young i would think she would be called Sutherland.
2) She named two of her sons after John and Robert Sutherland. Sutherland is Robert's midde  name.  She named her daughter Christina so they must have bene close ?
3) Robert thought her MS was sutherland and put it on his marriage certificate. So he knew them too?

This Sutherland group disappear after the 1841 census and I can't find a marriage cert for John Smith and Jane Main. I'm thinking it may have been England.
To be sure there were two other Jane Mains in Roxburgh 1841 but i chose this one due to her son having Sutherland and thinking her MS was Sutherland . But maybe I'm making too many assumptions?
I guess what I'm hoping for is anyone who is connected to the Sutherland family, who may have information as to their movements , birth place, or even deaths.  If I can somehow connect the name Sutherland to Main or Smith that may help me.
Sorry again for the long post, and thank you for any assistance. Here is the notes beside her name on the 1841 census under occupation but i can't make it  out . 

** I don't know why the image is upseide down- it was the right way when i posted it


Lanarkshire / Mossman Handyside Sterling and relationship to Duncan Family
« on: Sunday 02 April 17 17:14 BST (UK)  »
Hello All: I am trying to see what kind of relationship ( if any) a woman called Mossman Handyside Sterling has to my Duncan family.  Mossman was born 1850 to David Sterling and Margaret West. She was a witness to the marriage of James Duncan to Christina Smith( my 2nd great grandparents)  and James' sister Margaret to Joseph Kelly.  I did some checking and there is one entry of an Elizabeth Handyside to James Duncan (1744). Mossman is such a strange name for a girl in those times and as a  witness to siblings marriage I thought there must be some kind of relationship.  If anyone knows of Mossman please let me know.   



George # 9251 was the brother of Joseph Whitten  also KIA. George is  commemorated at the  THIEPVAL Memorial at the Somme.  George was married to Jane Glassford 

Serjt. Joseph  Whitten ( great uncle) was killed in Mesopotamia, and is commemorated at the Basra Memorial. He was born in Glasgow. His parents were Joseph Whitten and Jane Irvine, from Ireland. He was married to Jeannie Moodie. His brother is posted under his own name 

World War One / 9th Battalion royal Irish Inniskilling Fusiliers WW1
« on: Sunday 22 November 15 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
hello: My grandfather was with this battalion, was gassed and captured and sent to a POW camp in Neuhammer Germany. I have a copy of a letter from the POW camp written to my grandmother, dated July, 1918.  He didn't talk much about that time and although he has a couple of medals I was wondering where I might find more information as to his personal  service records. I know some of them were destroyed in WW2 but there was a plan to digitize them and make them available online. Does anyone have any information on where to look for service records? I also posted on the   Great War Forum. I tried to attach the document with the letter which I scanned but it was too big

West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / surname Liverance in Linlithgow 1600s
« on: Monday 14 September 15 00:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi; I have found a line of people called Liverance  going back to Linlithgow. The last direct connection is Andrew Liverance, born circa 1580  married to Katherine Bying. Son James ( 1610) But there is also a George and John Liverance all somehow connected. I was given some information by the local librarian mentioning they were officers of the King  or something like that. The name Liverance itself comes from the Clerk of the Livery of the King's court.   the surname died out early in the 1700s but I think a lot of them went the the US.  interested in any information and/or connections


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