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I hope that I have put this on the correct Board ........ the families move between Lancashire, Yorkshire and Westmorland 

I'm sorry that it is so long, but there is the details that I know, which may help the assumptions I'm making


OH's 4 x gt grandfather Robert Hayhurst married twice.

Known and proven facts are .........

He was born in 1767 in Slaidburn, Yorkshire, between 1790 and before 1841 he was a miller and farmer at Milton Mill and Cautley Mill (near Sedbergh) in Yorkshire.

On the 1841 Census, he was a Grocer in Kirby Lonsdale, Westmorland, as was his widow in 1851.

In 1791, he married Mary Newton in Sedbergh / Sedburgh, Yorkshire (marriage record found)

They had 3 children, all born in or near Sedbergh --- Gilbert, OH’s 3xgt grandfather, in  1792; Thomas in 1795; and John in 1797.

I have traced all 3 of those children, their marriages and children …………….

Gilbert married Jane Goose in 1813 in Whittington, Lancashire

Thomas married Elizabeth Askew in 1829 in Whittington, witnesses Thomas Askew and Joseph Askew. She was born about 1795, and her parents were Edward Askew and Elizabeth (surname unknown)

John married twice – Hannah Hodgson in 1829, and Mary Parrington in 1837.

Around 1800, Robert Hayhurst married again ………… I have not yet found a death for Mary Newton OR his re-marriage.

A tree on ancestry says the second marriage occurred on 24 December 1801, Sedbergh ……… I cannot find that proof, as yet.

However, it does seem certain ………. Mary Newton was born in 1766, Sedbergh, Yorkshire. The wife Mary shown in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses was born ca 1771 in Lowgill, Lancashire.

It is believed that he married Mary Ellishaw or Ellershaw, and they then had 2 children born in Sedbergh ---. Jane born 1 April 1803; and Elizabeth born 23 September 1805.

Robert Hayhurst died in 1842, and Mary nee Ellishaw in 1853, both in Kirby Lonsdale

I have managed to follow Elizabeth through the 1841, 1851 and 1871 Censuses to her death in 1879, but had not found her in 1861 ……….. in the first two, she was living with her parents in a Grocers in Kirby Lonsdale. In 1871 she was a Retired Grocer living with her sister-in-law Elizabeth Hayhurst at Mill Bridge, Stainton ….. the widow of Thomas Hayhurst.


Now come the problems and possible assumptions 

Jane Hayhurst born 1803 is the problem ……… a problem more of making assumptions!

I could find no trace of her after her baptism …… Jane is one of the common names for girls in the Hayhurst family.

On Saturday, I found a tree on ancestry that said Jane Hayhurst had married William Askew in 1827.

I found that marriage on lancs opc ………. 10 May 1827. Whittington, Lancs, witnesses were John Hayhurst and Ann Askew. Unfortunately, no father’s name.

I found William and Jane Askew in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, although her birth year is 1 or 2 years out. In 1851, she says she was born in Sedbergh, and in 1861 the birth place is Cortley ……… this could be Cautley (the mill that Robert Hayhurst had at some point before 1841).

They had children --- Thomas 1828; Robert 1831; Elizabeth 1832; and Mary Ann 1835. All are names common to both the Askew and Hayhurst families

Jane Askew died April 1868, age 64, Whittington, and William died May 1871 age 71, Whittington.

I’m beginning to assume that this was the Jane born in 1803 ……….. she had a half-brother called John, and he could have been the witness at the marriage. William Askew had a sister called Ann, possible witness, and also a sister called Elizabeth, who I think was the one who married Thomas Hayhurst in 1829.

William was a Malster and Farmer, as were the Hayhursts ………. and these families all intermarried. The Hayhursts in particular moved back and forth between Whittington and the Sedbergh area ……….. the prevailing theory is that they suffered persecution as they were Quakers, moving when the persecution got too bad.

However, on the 1861 Census, there is a visitor …………….. Jane Hayhurst, b.ca 1805, Cartley (or Cortley), Lancashire, Sister-in-law, Unmarried, Retired Grocer.

Problem!! No other Jane in the first family.

I’m wondering if my assumption could be correct that “Jane Hayhurst” Retired Grocer is actually Elizabeth Hayhurst? The birth date is correct, Cartley could be Cautley, and she probably was a Retired Grocer by 1861 ………… and I have not found her anywhere in the 1861 Census.

This also means that Elizabeth Hayhurst born 1805 was doubly sister-in-law to Elizabeth Hayhurst widow of Thomas Hayhurst …...... the latter was Elizabeth Askew before her marriage, so they would be related through her brother William and her husband Thomas, half brother of Elizabeth b. 1805.


so ..................

my present assumptions are that .......

1. Jane Hayhurst who married William Askew was the daughter of Robert Hayhurst and Mary nee Ellishaw

2. Jane Hayhurst Retired Grocer on the 1861 Census is actually Elizabeth Hayhurst, sister of Jane Askew nee Hayhurst

3. Elizabeth Askew who married Thomas Hayhurst in 1829 was the sister of William Askew who married Jane Hayhurst in 1827

4. Elizabeth Hayhurst Retired Grocer is doubly related to Elizabeth Hayhurst wife of Thomas ......... she's the half-sister of Thomas and the sister-in-law of William Askew


Does all that make sense???

Can anyone suggest any way in which I can validate the assumptions?