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Technical Help / Inviting a guest to your ancestry tree
« on: Monday 14 September 20 17:45 BST (UK)  »
I see you can invite someone to be a guest to your tree, by using their user name (I assume if they have an ancestry account), or using their email (I assume if they don't have an account).  However, in the second situation,  to access my tree in Ancestry, does your invitee have to have an ancestry account??  And can it be non payable, as with people who can do dna tests, and access their results, without a normal subscription?

Sorry I always make things sound more complicated! Hope you get my question.  I have a nephew who I would like to invite, but don't know what I need to tell him about accessing my tree!!!

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Uploading a Gedcom to Ancestry.
« on: Saturday 23 May 20 15:58 BST (UK)  »
I have an extensive tree on Ancestry, which is where I hold the vast majority of my family tree & DNA information.
I manage My father's and my first cousin's dna accounts.  I have a skeleton tree on my Dad's account. My cousin has no tree. ( neither of them have pay for accounts with ancestry).

I want to upload my own tree to my cousins account, to see if that helps with or joint side (maternal) DNA investigations.

I know how to download a gedcom from my account, and how to upload it to my cousin's account.

However, before I press to upload, I am aware that I dont know how I link her in my tree to being the home person on her account.  Also I am unsure how I link her dna results to her record in the tree, especially as her name is different  in both.  She has used her married surname in her DNA testing account, while I did the usual, and set her up using her maiden name.

I expect these questions have been answered here before, probably lots of time, but I cant see it!!!

Thanks Jane

Apropos of nothing very much, these just sprung into my head!

1 Why is it that all your good old working class ancestors born just plain John Smith, or Peter Wilson or Joseph Allison, when the emigrate to the US sprout spurious middle initials/names??  Makes it very difficult to do traditional tree matches, as well as work out if you have got the 'right' person from someone else's tree using thru-lines and other matching info. from Ancestry!

2 The one basic rule you see in ancestry research is that when logging women in 'trees' you always use their born surname (unless you don't know it, or adopted or something similar). I have a DNA match (I think now deceased), who has set herself up using (I think) her married name and has other women without surnames in  her tree. This makes it impossible to use the tree matching tools, to ascertain how DNA matches relate to you!  This leads to brothers and sisters with different surnames , born of the same parents, etc.

Anybody else got other issues like this that really annoy them??

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Auto Clustering
« on: Sunday 08 March 20 14:19 GMT (UK)  »
I have carried out Auto Clustering using My Heritage, having uploaded my Ancestry DNA data to my Heritage at a time that it was free to do so, then was given access to Auto Clustering, before ( I think) having to pay for it was introduced.  Lucky Me! I have more recently Autoclustered my Ancestry DNA match data using Genetic Affairs directly, and also was given access to their related Auto Trees information.  Undoubtedly the GA method is more helpful, I have many more matches, and you can vary the thresholds, whilest the My Heritage method presets your thresholds.

However a match is a match, and as you cant upload from any of the other companies to Ancestry, the majority of my MH matches are additional to what I have on Ancestry - though some have done the same as me.  So, anyway, the point is, I want to get as much information from MH as I can, and re-ran my clustering there yesterday.  The results took very little time to arrive, which was good!

The results come in 3 documents, firstly an HTML doc, which prduces a chart identical to to what you get in GA analysis,secondly the the basis of a spreadsheet representation of said results, well I think thats what it is, but I cant really manipulate the spreadsheet to make it readable at all by me :(, and thirdly a word type document just explaining a bit about it.  It is this 3rd doc that I am interested about/asking about here!

The first section  is a basic explanation about the coloured clusters and the grey cells and what they represent.

The second section was what I was querying, and I must say that in formulating this question, I have I think sort of answered my question, but there are still (other types of) grey areas involved!

They tell you about the thresholds, and other limits, and a summary, as in my case, 99 matches ended up in 25 clusters.  It is the next bit I was intereted in:-

You have x matches excluded because they don't have any shared matches - well ok.
You have y ( a much bigger figure) matches that met criteria but ended up in singleton clusters, and are therefore excluded from the analysis.

My initial response was, well aren't they both the same thing?  Well I guess not, but it depends on what the meaning of a 'cluster' is.

I had assumed that the singleton clusters didnt have any shared matches with me, thats what made them a singleton, but that is not the case. It was easy to prove that wrong, as one of my larger matches (>60cM) has lots of shared matches, and even has a shared match which was the same value, her mother/daughter, who it would appear was not in the same cluster as her?? There were other matches, though below the 30cM lower threshold for inclusion. There were 15 at least shared matches where both shared at least 10 cM with the match, yet the original match is defined as a singleton and excluded from the analysis.

So can anyone help, what exactly is a cluster, and why do they set their limits so that so many (y was 59, x was 9) matches were excluded from the analysis.

The result is that there are very few clusters that I have much indication of where they fit into my tree. The first biggest cluster, is the same as my biggest cluster on Ancestry, but after that it is mostly guessing, with a very few small clusters with names I recognise as distant matches from  different parts of my tree.

Advice or info please ???

Scotland Resources / Access to Historical maps on-line
« on: Saturday 25 January 20 13:30 GMT (UK)  »
When i first started tracing my family tree, I had access to a site where you could check maps through the years of areas you are interested. I have forgotton what the site  was called, no doubt linked into Scottish govenrnment records in some way.

My reason is, and maybe some one can help me wih this more directly, I have been trying to solve a family story mystery.  My Great grandfather was one of 10 (called Henry Duffy), with  5 sisters. One story went that one of his sisters worked for Coates or one of the other Mills as a buyer, and was in Rushia on a trip during the revolution.  I have been able to trace  3 of the sisters, and they were either married busy with children, or dead at the appropriate time.  The other 2 were Helen (or Ellen) Duffy, born 27/08/1874 at Cleland Lanarkshire. In 1891 she was on census at Newton Mearns as a bleachfield worker, after that nothing.  The second sister Catherine or Kate Duffy was born 06/01/1886, was on the 1901 census in Cleland, with Father Joseph, and 2 brothers Joseph & Andrew.  Andrew emigrated in 1911 and on his arrival documentation in New York, he gives as his home contact his sister Kate at 2 London Place, Paisley.  I cant find her anywhere on the 1911 census, so wanted to check on an appropriate map to find out if that address existed.

My large Duffy family were based in lanarkshire from before the 1841 census, but this branch seemed to have an affinity for Paisley, and the seemed to move back and forward quite a lot.

Any advice would be lovely - on accessing the maps or some other way of checking for historical addresses.  I have tried google but did not find anything definitive - anything at all to be honest!

Thanks again!

United States of America / US records lookup, from the UK??
« on: Sunday 05 January 20 19:47 GMT (UK)  »
Is there a site for checking for example US census results, free, from the uk??

I used to think these could be looked up on Family Serch, but had no luck.  I only have the most basic Ancestry axccount, so I get loads of hints for things I dont have access to - very annoying!!- including US census results.

Any advice please!

Rather than say what I have done ('cause I do tend to go on a bit, I know), I thought I would ask, simply:-

'What protocols do people use to allocate shared matches to family name groups/family branch groups/ etcetera?'

I have used 2 perhaps 3 different ways, at the same time, which probably is not logical/rigorous/scientific etc!

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Ancestry Common ancestors
« on: Friday 13 December 19 15:29 GMT (UK)  »
I am a bit confused.

I always thought these represented matches, within whose tree you find an individual, or often a couple, who are also in your tree. The postulation is that these jount common ancestors are where our trees intersect, and from whom our 'matched' DNA has descended to us both.

I have found a few recent, low level common ancestors (green leaves), where the proposed common ancestors are not found in the matches tree, but a postulated descent is suggested using other 'third party' trees.  It's a bit like a cross between a common ancestor and 'Thrulines'.

Has it been like this for long?? I must have missed that discussion!

Donegal / Convoy, Co. Donegal
« on: Friday 06 December 19 15:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I am Scotland based, but with a family tree that is  as far as I have found out, close to 100 % of irish origin, though my ancestors have been here for anything from close to 200 - 145 years. So the most recent arrival was a great grandmother who arrived on her own, from Clifden, County Galway in the early 1870's.

Most of my other ancesters were incomers from further north in Ireland, however!  Because they came here so long ago, like many I have been able, quickly, to trace most lines back to the parents of babies born after 1855 civil registration began (here in Scotland), or using deaths from that date, to their parents ( as both birth and death certificates, as well as marriage certificates ask, for parental details in Scotland, that is also both parents, not just the paternal side).

So, within 3-6 months of hard work, back in 2009- 2010, I managed to find good record evidence for the direct line, on most branches, back to in and around 1800, and in a couple of cases, slightly further back.   However, beyond that, in Ireland, I have found very little record evidence, for people who left Ireland significantly before civil registration began there for the catholic majority, and because, for the church records from before then, you really needed to have definite information about exactly where they came from ( ie parish and townlands), to have any chance of success!

I have spent the last 8-9 years, filling out my tree, thickening up those branches, with 'other family' for which census records have been invaluable. I have delved into genetic genealogy too, and found new cousins , near and far, but who like me, know not very much about life back in Ireland, and where in Ireland that was! Any way, after that pre-amble, to my point, finally!

One particular curiosity,was my Convoy branch, a pretty unusual name, for which there are few entries at Scotlands People, either now or in the past.  My furthest back Convoy, John, who married his wife Sarah-Jane ( at a very young age!) in 1857 in Monklands Lanarkshire, said on the 1861 census he was born in Louth, which was great really, as the normal requirement for the census for someone born in Ireland , was, well, Ireland. However I have recently discovered the village of Convoy in Co. Donegal, and wonder if that name has given us people, with that name as a surname, in that area?

I found a very large group of 'unknown' but linked matches, through both my, and my fathers dna results, that I finally linked to my Convoy branch, recently.   If the Convoy village has people with the Convoy surname, then that might be a route to investigating where the link began.

So can anyone help me, are there Convoys, living near, or originating from Convoy, County Donegal??

My Ancestry ethnicity results highlights Donegal and specifically the Innishowan peninsula (ie not covering Convoy village), though that is not unusual for scots of irish origin, as most incomers to Scotland, came from Ulster, across the north channel from Scotland.

So, any help on Convoys, from Convoy, Co. Donegal, would be great!

This query is based on the knowledge that when surnames began being used, local place names were one of the sources used, along with jobs (eg Baker), & descriptors (Longbottom - sorry, cant think of a better one at the moment!).

Thanks Jane

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