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Hi it's been a while since I did this research so not very fresh in my mind. This is the notes from my own research file. If this has all been covered already in the thread, I apologise for the repetition, but perhaps there will be something useful for you there:

Judith is claimed on several online trees as a daughter to Nicolas Bachelier and Marie Rossignol. Nicholas's son Paul married an Esther Saumon, and members of the Saumon family act as Godparents for Judiths’ children. Judith also named a son Nicolas, so a close relationship between her and his family likely existed.

However, unlike the other children of Nicolas, no evidence exists of Judith in London prior to her marriage in 1704. Nicolas and his family consistently give their place of origin as Villeparisis or Paris. On the only known occasion Judith provides her own place of origin (Son Timothy’s baptism 1729) she provides Meaux en Brie.

Nicolas fled direct from France to England after the destruction of the Charenton Temple in late 1685. In the first year in England 1686, his family appear in the charity records of the Threadneedle Street Church several times. On one instance Nicolas claims for himself, wife and three children. The children are not named, but if the numbers are accurate, this alone seems to rule out Judith as a daughter, as three children, born prior to 1686, are accounted for in later records:

1.   Nicolas Bachelier Jr (born France circa 1674) married Madelaine Deshayes London 1697
2.   Marie Magdeliane Bachelier (born France circa 1679) married Abraham Pottier London 1701 rem Paul Boucher London 1721
3.   Paul Bachelier (born France circa 1680) married Esther Saumon London 1706, remarried to Marie Gaucheron London 1725

Nicolas, his wife, and all three of his children appear as godparents at Threadneedle Street Church London, on ten occasions between 1687-1701. They also appear at the smaller St Jeans Chapel in Spitalfields in 1697 when Nicolas stands as a godparent there. It would seem strange Judith not similarly appearing in these records prior to 1704 if she were indeed part of that immediate family.

The couple I instead favour as her parents, Jean and Judith Bachelier, arrived in London in the summer of 1701, joining Threadneedle Street church on 31st August that year. They had a testimonial of faith from the Huguenot congregation at the Waals Kirk Haarlem.

A month later Marie Madelaine Bachelier, Nicolas's daughter, got married at Threadneedle Street. Six days earlier she publicly announced her intention to marry at La Patente Huguenot Chapel, Spitalfields:

1701. 25 Sep POTTIER & BACHELLIER Abraham Pottier, weaver, residing in Ouyle (Wheeler) Street, Stepney, born of Nanteuil, Meaux en Brie, Son of Abraham Potier and the deceased Magdelaine Cadet, - and Marie Madelaine Bachelier, born of Paris, and daughter of Nicolas Bachelier and Marie Rossignol; together announce their intention to be married publically in the Church of Stepney, in unity, and without opposition.
Statement witnessed and signed by: J. Bachelier, N. Bachelier, Paul Bachelier, Marie Rossignol, Pierre Nepueu, Jacob Pottier, Jean Robert, Louis Robert. Minister: Balguerie

This is the first time the Bacheliers are on record using this chapel, and the first time a 'J. Bachelier' appears on any London records. Significantly, this is the same chapel Judith Bachelier uses to baptise her children to Antoine Deverdun 1705-1729.

If Judith were a daughter to Jean and Judith, and Nicolas and Marie instead extended relations, perhaps Uncle/Aunt, this would explain why Judith Bachelier/Deverdun calls a child Nicolas, and why Marie Bachelier and Marie Saumon, Esther Saumon/Bachelier's sister, appear as godparents to her and Antoine's children at La Patente.

When Jean and Judith Bachelier appear on the 1709 Royal Bounty accounts the following info is giving for them:

Jean Bachelier, 52, of Meaux en Brie, Weaver, and Judith his wife, 65, residing at Phoenix Street, Spitalfields were paid 15 shillings.

This would make them 26 and 39 respectively at the approximate time Judith was born in France, circa 1683, and the place of origin matches that Judith gives, unlike Nicolas and Marie Bachelier. In addition to this Judith Bachelier's daughter Elizabeth Deverdun/Morgue later also records Phoenix Street, Spitalfields, as her address, in 1763.

Judith’s marriage to Antoine Deverdun, also fits this scenario better, as he too came to London, from Haarlem or Amsterdam, 1701-3, as did most of the other individuals and families who act as godparents to the couple’s children at La Patente.

Thanks Lambfran, hope it is helpful for your family research.

As of our private correspondance last summer Mervyn, I would certainly agree with you that Jacques Joseph Quatenyie does seem a more likely prospect for the unnamed legitimised child of Jean Jaques Grassart and Mary Elizabeth Cartigny, and concede I was unaware of this child, with the baptism being recorded under a variable spelling of the mother's surname.

I would just point out though that my research into this family was as part of a wider study of Spitalfields Huguenots, looking into a great many families, and the assumption of Thomas's place within that family was not the main focus of my work, and from my own point of view was neither particularly important or significant, though of course appreciate its signifance to his descendants, and regret if it was not made clear enough, and I concede it wasn't, that his place in the family tree was an assumption on my part, based on the fact to date it has been impossible to positively identify a baptism for Thomas. As Jean Jaques was the grandson of a Thomas, and his eldest brother was also named Thomas,  it seemed reasonable to posit that he could have chosen that name for one of his own sons. With the existance of an unnamed legitimised child, the London Thomas seemed a very likely prospect at the time. In addition to that was the coincidence of Jean Jacques Grassart marrying at the Huguenot Church in Tournoi to Margeuritte Dumme, a on 19 July 1772, exactly seven days before Thomas was also married, in England, on 26 July 1772 at St Dunstan's.

The only real info on Thomas's arrival in London comes from his great-great granddaughter, Elizabeth Granshaw, b.1874 daughter of Thomas George Granshaw & Francis Jane Lee, an inmate of La Providence, The French Charity Hospital from 1934 to 1938. Her petition for entry gave the following details of her French descent: '[on] My mother's side; I have been told by my parents my Father's Grandfather was brought to England when a boy about four years at the time of the French Revolution.'

As the legitimised son of Jean Jacques Grassart must have been born between his first wife's death in 1755 and his remarriage to Elizabeth Cartigny in 1759, he would have been aged 3-7 when the family fled to England in 1762, so that seemed to fit well too, though again as noted in our private correspondence, I did have misgivings as it would make Thomas seventeen at the oldest at the time of his marriage. This would be highly unusual if true, as the Huguenots didn't generally go in for young marriages, more often they were in their mid to late twenties when they wed.

In the course of our correspondance I suggested, alternatively, that he might be the Thomas Grassart baptised  21/7/1748 as son to Thomas Grassart [QUIEVY/BMS [1737-1749] 1 MI 309 R 002 130/144] and was perhaps bought to England as a very young child with Jean Jacques' sister, Marie Barbe GRASSART (B.1720) when she came to England in September 1750 with her husband Jean Philipe Delporte. Young children certainly were smuggled out by aunts and uncles as this is how my own most recent Huguenot ancestor came to England, around the same time, 1753.
 
The problem still remains though is if Jean Jacques and Elizabeth did have all four of their children in London, as the records state, why is there plentiful evidence of the other three in later records there, but none at all for Jacques Joseph Cartigny/Grassart? Did he die in infancy in London? If so where is the burial record? If, alternatively, he died in infancy in France, then Thomas could still in fact be the fourth child on record with them in London, regardles of if he was an actual son or nephew to Jean Jaques. Then there is the possibility at least Jacques Joseph and Thomas are one and the same person, and Thomas was used as his alias, which would explain the lack of any records for him in London, under his baptismal name.

Anyway I add this for clarification, particularly if my earlier posts lacked clarity and had somewhat muddied the waters for Thomas's descendants. I look foward to further discoveries regarding this family, which will hopefully paint a clearer picture than currently exists.

Oh I am with you now astral, yes I think Levi probably travelled with Thomas as his son Levi, junior was baptised at Iver, Buckinghamshire, in 1852, which is just up the road from Colnbrook where Lamentany was baptised a few years earlier. I have Levi, junior, also marrying into the Harris family, a Mary Ann Harris, on 17th July 1882 at Addlestone, Surrey, and the couple appear ‘in huts and tents’ stopped in a lane at Orpinton, Kent, on the 1901 census.

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