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Armed Forces / Re: Boer War 17th lancers
« on: Saturday 29 December 18 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that. I should have picked that up myself.
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Armed Forces / Boer War 17th lancers
« on: Saturday 29 December 18 22:11 GMT (UK) »
Does anyone know where i can find the service records of James McGuire No 4065, who served for the 17th Lancers in Sth Africa in about 1901/02
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Frank McGuire
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Frank McGuire
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Tuesday 01 August 17 01:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,
I found that the DNA tests seem to be reasonably ok. Having done the test, in this case with Ancestry, you can search for anyone who has a DNA match with you, starting from very high match, to very low. In this case, they have shown a very high match with me for another direct descendant with one of Christoper Tudor's children, and than a high match for both of us with descendants of two of John Halvorsen's children, who both went to the USA.
Re Christopher's birthplace, he mostly gave Arendal, but in 2 records he gave Christiana. You could be right about him hiding his origin, or maybe in some cases, he just gave the capital city, which is often what people do when asked where they come from.
Re the naming pattern, i agree it all fits quite well, except for naming his first son as James?
Re the 2nd marriage of Halvor Madsen, i now think its very unlikely. i just found him on an 1801 census for Aker, (born 1853 which is ok) but with a son Halvor aged 20 and daughter Berthe Maria aged 15. At that time, the other Halvor was presumably with his other family in Holt (born 1788 to 1800). it also shows Halvor to be a master builder.
So it looks like I start again!!
Regards
Frank
I found that the DNA tests seem to be reasonably ok. Having done the test, in this case with Ancestry, you can search for anyone who has a DNA match with you, starting from very high match, to very low. In this case, they have shown a very high match with me for another direct descendant with one of Christoper Tudor's children, and than a high match for both of us with descendants of two of John Halvorsen's children, who both went to the USA.
Re Christopher's birthplace, he mostly gave Arendal, but in 2 records he gave Christiana. You could be right about him hiding his origin, or maybe in some cases, he just gave the capital city, which is often what people do when asked where they come from.
Re the naming pattern, i agree it all fits quite well, except for naming his first son as James?
Re the 2nd marriage of Halvor Madsen, i now think its very unlikely. i just found him on an 1801 census for Aker, (born 1853 which is ok) but with a son Halvor aged 20 and daughter Berthe Maria aged 15. At that time, the other Halvor was presumably with his other family in Holt (born 1788 to 1800). it also shows Halvor to be a master builder.
So it looks like I start again!!
Regards
Frank
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Monday 31 July 17 05:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,
Thankyou. i have finally manged to be able to access the censuses. In the meantime, i have come up with a possible person. Its probably a long shot, but I would like your opinion as to anything i might be able to do to make it more likely (or unlikely).
I have a DNA match with two children of John Halvorsen and Karen Kirstine Isaachsdr, who had children at Holt near Arendal betrween 1823 and 1835. John Halvorsen was born at Holt in 1793, the son of Halvor Madsen and Ingeborg Johnsdr. Halvor and Ingeborg had five children at Holt, between 1788 and 1800, none of whom were had any children named Christopher or Elisabeth.
Halvor and his sons worked for an ironworks at Holt. Halvor was born about 1755, and was married at Holt in 1787 when he was about 32. There is a record of a Halvor Madsen married to Johanne Monsdr in 1779 at Asker, about 180km north of Arendal, near Oslo. There was an old ironworks at Baerum ironworks, 10km from Asker.
This Halvor Madsen and his wife, had a son Christen, born 1781 at Asker. As far is known, they had no other children. A Christen Halvorsen married to Lisbeth Andersdr in 1826 at Sem, which is about 50km south of Asker. They had a son, Christopher born in 1832 at Lier, Buskerud, near Asker. They had four other children born at Lier between 1826 and 1838. The birth records indicate that Christen Halvorsen was a ‘Guardsman’, which I assume is some sort of military.
So I have a Christopher born in 1832 to Christen and Lisbeth, and who could be a grandson of Halvor Madsen of Holt, if he married twice. This could fit with my man,(born 1831-1835, son of Christopher and Elisabeth) except for the birth location, unless he moved to Holt near Arendal at an early age, perhaps if his father died and the family moved closer to relatives at Holt.
Any thoughts?
Regards
Frank
Thankyou. i have finally manged to be able to access the censuses. In the meantime, i have come up with a possible person. Its probably a long shot, but I would like your opinion as to anything i might be able to do to make it more likely (or unlikely).
I have a DNA match with two children of John Halvorsen and Karen Kirstine Isaachsdr, who had children at Holt near Arendal betrween 1823 and 1835. John Halvorsen was born at Holt in 1793, the son of Halvor Madsen and Ingeborg Johnsdr. Halvor and Ingeborg had five children at Holt, between 1788 and 1800, none of whom were had any children named Christopher or Elisabeth.
Halvor and his sons worked for an ironworks at Holt. Halvor was born about 1755, and was married at Holt in 1787 when he was about 32. There is a record of a Halvor Madsen married to Johanne Monsdr in 1779 at Asker, about 180km north of Arendal, near Oslo. There was an old ironworks at Baerum ironworks, 10km from Asker.
This Halvor Madsen and his wife, had a son Christen, born 1781 at Asker. As far is known, they had no other children. A Christen Halvorsen married to Lisbeth Andersdr in 1826 at Sem, which is about 50km south of Asker. They had a son, Christopher born in 1832 at Lier, Buskerud, near Asker. They had four other children born at Lier between 1826 and 1838. The birth records indicate that Christen Halvorsen was a ‘Guardsman’, which I assume is some sort of military.
So I have a Christopher born in 1832 to Christen and Lisbeth, and who could be a grandson of Halvor Madsen of Holt, if he married twice. This could fit with my man,(born 1831-1835, son of Christopher and Elisabeth) except for the birth location, unless he moved to Holt near Arendal at an early age, perhaps if his father died and the family moved closer to relatives at Holt.
Any thoughts?
Regards
Frank
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Saturday 29 July 17 02:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,
I had considered Christopher born 1835, but thought he was probbaly too late, and I tended to think that its was more likley that his mother was Elisabeth. Anyway, i have looked again- the marriage record also says Astri. I wondered if she may have died and he remarried, but acouldnt find anything to support that. i will keep looking.
Re the Chrsitopher who was sailor, if I read it correctly, he came from notteroy, and i found a Christopher Christophersen born at Notteroy of different parents, so probably not our man.
I am curious as how you accessed the censuses and the seamen? I tried accessing censuses and they seem much more limited than you found?
I could look at the census page you gave me the connection to, but i couldnt find it myself on the main website.
Regards
Frank
I had considered Christopher born 1835, but thought he was probbaly too late, and I tended to think that its was more likley that his mother was Elisabeth. Anyway, i have looked again- the marriage record also says Astri. I wondered if she may have died and he remarried, but acouldnt find anything to support that. i will keep looking.
Re the Chrsitopher who was sailor, if I read it correctly, he came from notteroy, and i found a Christopher Christophersen born at Notteroy of different parents, so probably not our man.
I am curious as how you accessed the censuses and the seamen? I tried accessing censuses and they seem much more limited than you found?
I could look at the census page you gave me the connection to, but i couldnt find it myself on the main website.
Regards
Frank
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Thursday 27 July 17 23:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,
His name was Christopher Tudor. The name Christopher is OK, but not Tudor. it could have been Theodor, which I understand could be pronounced similarly, but havent found anyone of that name in Norway.
Arendal came from his naturalisation record and the birth records of his 11 children, for which most he recorded his birthplace as Arendal, Norway, and a for a couple he said Christiana.
The jumping ship came from passed down family stories. On his 1887 naturalisation record he said he came on the ship Copernicus in 1857. it only came to Australia in 1854 and there is a record of a ships deserter from the Copernicus- Claus August Jacob, aged 20 , from Norway (Fair complexion, light brown hair, blue eyes, cannot speak English, 5 pounds reward) I Cant find him either in Norwegian records.
His birth date, from 15 records, is that it is from August 1831 to January 1835, with the most likely being 1833/34.
He also recorded that his parents names were Christopher and Elisabeth.
I have looked at lots of possibilities over the years, without finding anyone that would seem to match. Thats why I am now pinning my hopes on DNA.
Regards
Frank
His name was Christopher Tudor. The name Christopher is OK, but not Tudor. it could have been Theodor, which I understand could be pronounced similarly, but havent found anyone of that name in Norway.
Arendal came from his naturalisation record and the birth records of his 11 children, for which most he recorded his birthplace as Arendal, Norway, and a for a couple he said Christiana.
The jumping ship came from passed down family stories. On his 1887 naturalisation record he said he came on the ship Copernicus in 1857. it only came to Australia in 1854 and there is a record of a ships deserter from the Copernicus- Claus August Jacob, aged 20 , from Norway (Fair complexion, light brown hair, blue eyes, cannot speak English, 5 pounds reward) I Cant find him either in Norwegian records.
His birth date, from 15 records, is that it is from August 1831 to January 1835, with the most likely being 1833/34.
He also recorded that his parents names were Christopher and Elisabeth.
I have looked at lots of possibilities over the years, without finding anyone that would seem to match. Thats why I am now pinning my hopes on DNA.
Regards
Frank
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Thursday 27 July 17 00:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,
I believe her name was Karen Kirstine Isachsen. It is spelt Isaach on some records. I dont know when the family migrated, but two of their children have US descendants. They are Ingeborg Sophie, and Halvor Christian. I can check more on that if you are interested.
I have just put a notice on a Norway forum, and have had confirmation that John Halverson was from Holt, Aust-Agder, and that he was 38 1/2 in 1832, making his birth 1893, and thence the son of Halvor Madesen, as you thought.
My connection is that I am trying to trace my gggrandfather who was from Arendal (near Holt) and he jumped ship in Melbourne Australia in the early 1850s, and changed his name. I have found a DNA match with descendants of John Halvorsen, via both of this above mentioned children, which is why I am pursuing this line.
I feel that I am getting much closer.
Regards from Australia
Frank
I believe her name was Karen Kirstine Isachsen. It is spelt Isaach on some records. I dont know when the family migrated, but two of their children have US descendants. They are Ingeborg Sophie, and Halvor Christian. I can check more on that if you are interested.
I have just put a notice on a Norway forum, and have had confirmation that John Halverson was from Holt, Aust-Agder, and that he was 38 1/2 in 1832, making his birth 1893, and thence the son of Halvor Madesen, as you thought.
My connection is that I am trying to trace my gggrandfather who was from Arendal (near Holt) and he jumped ship in Melbourne Australia in the early 1850s, and changed his name. I have found a DNA match with descendants of John Halvorsen, via both of this above mentioned children, which is why I am pursuing this line.
I feel that I am getting much closer.
Regards from Australia
Frank
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Tuesday 25 July 17 23:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian. i had seen that entry, but wasnt convinced. I think the same Ancestry source had John Halvorsen's wife as Karen Kirstine Jensdr, which I believe is incorrect.
Anyway, thanks for your help. It has directed me towards some new information.
Regards
Frank
Anyway, thanks for your help. It has directed me towards some new information.
Regards
Frank
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Europe / Re: Help with Norwegian church records
« on: Sunday 23 July 17 23:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian,
Here are the other births, all for Holt, Aust-Agder, I have given the actual link for the last one. If you need them all, let me know.
Halvor Christian b 19 July 1823 (Page30)
Ingeborg Sophie b 23 May 1825 P51
Jacob Aal b 27 July 1828 P73
Louisa Andrea b 21 Oct 1830 P98
Karen Kirstine b 27 Sept 1835 P13 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/812/13
Regards
Frank
Here are the other births, all for Holt, Aust-Agder, I have given the actual link for the last one. If you need them all, let me know.
Halvor Christian b 19 July 1823 (Page30)
Ingeborg Sophie b 23 May 1825 P51
Jacob Aal b 27 July 1828 P73
Louisa Andrea b 21 Oct 1830 P98
Karen Kirstine b 27 Sept 1835 P13 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/812/13
Regards
Frank